Animals & Nature1 min ago
Another Casualty For Our "recreational" Drug User Community
We had a long heated debate on here about drug addicts recently and I was wold, quite tartly, that there was a difference between drugs addicts and recreational drug addicts. Well, here is another "recreational" drug user that won't be wasting any more of her money ::::
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14 years on from her mothers similar self-imposed death, Peaches follows suit. I hope somebody will be watching her little child very closely for the rest of its life.
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14 years on from her mothers similar self-imposed death, Peaches follows suit. I hope somebody will be watching her little child very closely for the rest of its life.
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apparently she was on methadone, isn't that what they give you when you are trying to kick the habit Doesn't sound too "recreationa
16:51 Wed 23rd Jul 2014
Neither am I saying that all drugs users are addicts either ummmm, as I have quite clear. Peaches and her Mum were heroin addicts, and died because they were heroin addicts, and both started off with with "recreational" drugs. People may have a choice whether to take recreational drugs or not....I don't, you may and many others do. But everybody who ends ups up on hard drugs, started off with soft drugs. Heroin removes peoples ability to "choose"
I am going to take an even harder line here (sorry ! ) I find it very difficult
to feel any sympathy for heroin addicts, especially wealthy ones like Peaches, as she will no longer be able to influence other, more impressionable people to take drugs.
I am going to take an even harder line here (sorry ! ) I find it very difficult
to feel any sympathy for heroin addicts, especially wealthy ones like Peaches, as she will no longer be able to influence other, more impressionable people to take drugs.
Mikey you really seem not to understand though. Recreational drugs are just that taken for recreaction when the user chooses to take them, they are not addicted and have free choice at all times. Heroin could NEVER be described as a recreational drug, hence I ended my relationship with my boyfriend when he started taking Heroin, because it's a pathway to disaster for the most part and he wasn't keen to stop. I would however happily go out with someone who smoked the odd spliff because there is NO comparison, and I know lots of people your age who have been recreational users all their life to no ill effects because they aren't stupid enough to take Heroin which is NOT a recreational drug.
Ag Chr - good q
quite hard to construct a [context free] experiment to answer that.
When you have an answer say 35% you wanna be confident taht the figure reflects the question you've asked.
Even measuring hard drug users would be quite difficult
For recreational use - a question like 'have you ever smoked a cigarette ?' is gonna reflect anything.... we all have.' - and also the context - asking it at a uni will reflect a different population than asking it in a nursing home.
Difficult one - dont knwo the answer to that .....
quite hard to construct a [context free] experiment to answer that.
When you have an answer say 35% you wanna be confident taht the figure reflects the question you've asked.
Even measuring hard drug users would be quite difficult
For recreational use - a question like 'have you ever smoked a cigarette ?' is gonna reflect anything.... we all have.' - and also the context - asking it at a uni will reflect a different population than asking it in a nursing home.
Difficult one - dont knwo the answer to that .....
kvalidir...if you read my posts and those from others in this thread, I am making a very distinct point that heroin is most certainly NOT a recreational drug.
As to your point about people not being influenced by rich and famous people, I'm afraid I must disagree with you, There is ample evidence that celebrity status, even C and D list celebs like peaches, do indeed influence others. We live in an age where the cult of celebrity has reached a ludicrous level, when, as people are famous for being famous, rather the anything that they have actually done. Andy Warhol was right when he said that everybody will be famous for 15 mins, but not even he could have foreseen how far that would lead us.
As for the "milk of human kindness" I prefer to save that for the innocent people that are affected by drug addiction....like Peaches's two young sons and their Father. Like peaches, these two lads will spend the rest of their life without a Mother, just like she did.
By the way, it seems that you had a narrow escape from your previous involvement with a heroin user kvalidir, and I hope you are not unlucky enough to be involved with anybody like him in the future.
As to your point about people not being influenced by rich and famous people, I'm afraid I must disagree with you, There is ample evidence that celebrity status, even C and D list celebs like peaches, do indeed influence others. We live in an age where the cult of celebrity has reached a ludicrous level, when, as people are famous for being famous, rather the anything that they have actually done. Andy Warhol was right when he said that everybody will be famous for 15 mins, but not even he could have foreseen how far that would lead us.
As for the "milk of human kindness" I prefer to save that for the innocent people that are affected by drug addiction....like Peaches's two young sons and their Father. Like peaches, these two lads will spend the rest of their life without a Mother, just like she did.
By the way, it seems that you had a narrow escape from your previous involvement with a heroin user kvalidir, and I hope you are not unlucky enough to be involved with anybody like him in the future.
agchristie...don't know the answer to that question but logic would seem to indicate that all users of Heroin started off with so-called soft drugs. I may not be an expert here but I would bet a lot of money that drug dealers are able to supply both hard and soft, and quite willing and happy to do so.
mikey - your inference appears to be that 'soft' drug users feel the need to 'move on' to something harder - but that is not how drug culture works.
In the case of most heroin users, a respite from their miserable pointless existence is what is being saught, and of course it's nice - to start with.
But to simply assume that hard follows soft like night follows day is not necessarily valid.
In the case of most heroin users, a respite from their miserable pointless existence is what is being saught, and of course it's nice - to start with.
But to simply assume that hard follows soft like night follows day is not necessarily valid.
Mikey, I have been reading these posts with interest. Would you indulge me (us) by giving your definition of recreational drug use. It might stop a lot of the confusion. Fot instance, I'm confused by your statement that heroin is not a recreational drug but I'm pretty sure it starts off that way (taken in a social environment, probably after other drugs).
Mikey, I’ve said a couple of times that people think they can control it. No one takes any drug with the intention of becoming an addict.
A little anecdote. Following surgery, I was given a drug that would enable me to painlessly undergo what was to be a daily procedure – and I’ve never felt so physically ill or so psychologically helplessly depressed in my life. I was in the depths of despair and I really thought I was dying. The next day when the nurse came to give me my injection I told her I didn’t want it and asked her what was in it. She told me it was heroin-based, and the way I felt after that injection was exactly the way heroin users feel when they need a fix. Quite frankly, if that’s true – and I had no reason to disbelieve her – I really can’t condemn users for taking another fix. In that condition, I would too. You are right – drugs are not to be recommended – but you need to understand that human beings are not always wise and sometimes find themselves trapped in a world they can’t escape.
Think about this. You say you are diabetic and overweight, but we all know that’s not healthy, so why don’t you do the sensible thing and lose weight? I assume it’s because you find it difficult to resist eating the food you like. How much more difficult for a drug addict to conquer his addiction?
A little anecdote. Following surgery, I was given a drug that would enable me to painlessly undergo what was to be a daily procedure – and I’ve never felt so physically ill or so psychologically helplessly depressed in my life. I was in the depths of despair and I really thought I was dying. The next day when the nurse came to give me my injection I told her I didn’t want it and asked her what was in it. She told me it was heroin-based, and the way I felt after that injection was exactly the way heroin users feel when they need a fix. Quite frankly, if that’s true – and I had no reason to disbelieve her – I really can’t condemn users for taking another fix. In that condition, I would too. You are right – drugs are not to be recommended – but you need to understand that human beings are not always wise and sometimes find themselves trapped in a world they can’t escape.
Think about this. You say you are diabetic and overweight, but we all know that’s not healthy, so why don’t you do the sensible thing and lose weight? I assume it’s because you find it difficult to resist eating the food you like. How much more difficult for a drug addict to conquer his addiction?
Rubbish Dr F...where do drug addicts get their heroin from then, if its not from drug dealers ? Waitrose ?
Ummm...take the children away to a place of safety, and then get the addicts set up on a drug users scheme, if they can access a program of course. Last thing to do is to keep vulnerable children in the care of drug addicts. To be on the safe side seems to be to the way forward. Protect kids first and feel sorry for the addict second.
Whenever we discuss those horrible cases of child neglect and abuse, like Daniel Pelka, there is quite often a habit of drug use involve and everybody, even you say that the kids should have taken to a place of safety.
Ummm...take the children away to a place of safety, and then get the addicts set up on a drug users scheme, if they can access a program of course. Last thing to do is to keep vulnerable children in the care of drug addicts. To be on the safe side seems to be to the way forward. Protect kids first and feel sorry for the addict second.
Whenever we discuss those horrible cases of child neglect and abuse, like Daniel Pelka, there is quite often a habit of drug use involve and everybody, even you say that the kids should have taken to a place of safety.
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