Misleading Headline?

[sp1814]

Is the Mail on Sunday trying to stir up hatred against gay people (again)?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2714321/NHS-fund-sperm-bank-lesbians-New-generation-fatherless-families-paid-YOU.html

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divebuddy

When I put the following search into Google:

"children of same sex parents"

All I get is a load of studies which claim that children of same sex parents are healthier than those of mixed sex parents.

Can you let me know what *you* searched for, so we can see which studies you're referring to.

[sherrardk]

Divebuddy, do you mean children suffer when their dads *** off as opposed to children who have never had a dad present or who have two mums or dads?

[pixie373]

That's because it's impossible to tell, divebuddy. How an individual would have turned out in a different environment- how could you know? There are certainly plenty of happy, successful (in whatever way) people from sungle-parent homes, that i know.

[pixie373]

....single:-)

[THECORBYLOON]

Are sungle-parents Kiwis?

[sherrardk]

It's unnatural to have a C Section but thousands do. I am not overly bothered or interested in gay rights (because I think they should be a given) but I can't see what harm it is doing, I have seen plenty of kids born to heterosexual couples who are unloved and uncared for.

[pixie373]

Exactly, sherr. Divebuddy, i think your point is far too much of a simplistic over-generalisation to be helpful. You can't compare how a child would have turned out with/without their father, otherwise. It's all guesswork and wishful thinking. Fathers don't contribute to upbringing in the majority of animals, so "unnatural" is debatable. It's become more common more recently.

[sherrardk]

It's all relative, why should I pay for fat people to get NHS treatment, or alcoholics or smokers. I pay in and the powers that be divvy it up as they see fit. It seems you can't decide if you are anti this clinic on sexuality grounds or because of money, or is it IVF in general you don't agree with?

[pixie373]

The taxpayer won't be paying for long, if it's supposed to be self-funding after a year.

[ladybirder]

divebuddy >>Any child a lesbian/gay couple have cannot be guaranteed to be gay/lesbian themselves.

[pixie373]

And any child a heterosexual couple have, can't be guaranteed to be heterosexual either.

[ladybirder]

Quite pixie.
The last half of my post to dive buddy disappeared. I said that the sexuality of any child born to whoever cannot be guaranteed. After all it is heterosexuals who give birth to gay children.

[sherrardk]

Presumably, a gay child being brought up by a heterosexual parent or parents faces the same problems.

I find your comments about 'can't help being gay' really quite revealing, it's not a case of 'helping it', people are the way they are.

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divebuddy

You lost me on your last post.

But heading back to your previous post, I haven't come up with 'alleged facts'. I've only searched on Google, and I am not convinced by your counter-argument, because it seems to be based on your own perceptions.

And I believe your point is based on a flawed assumption. I'm not comparing gay parents with single parents. The comparison is between gay parents and straight parents. There is no evidence to support the argument that children from the former are in any way worse off.

Do you believe they are? If so, what do you base that on? Where's the evidence?

I'm willing to hear your argument, but simply saying, "that's the way it is" doesn't stand up to much scrutiny.

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divebuddy

I posted that before I saw your post from 23:27.

I think you've now clarified your position perfectly. I don't agree with you in any way, but then, that's just my opinion.

[ladybirder]

If the heterosexual parents of a gay child are understanding and supportive of that child then I don't see a problem sher. Of course some aren't and in fact cut that child out of their lives which is a tragedy for them all.
DB I don't think statistics back you up on a straight child brought up gay parents being traumatised. Don't ask me for a link tonight as I'm too tired to look for one.