What He Deserved?

[black_cat51]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2728596/Armed-robber-died-eight-heroes-sat-police-arrived-bungled-jewellery-raid.html
it sends shivers down my spine. I don't think i would ever be a have a go hero, but i wonder if the outcome of the inquest will mean anyone is arrested or charged?

[Old_Geezer]

In life this sort of thing does happen. Unfortunate but there you go.

No expert but who would be charged ? All of them ? The ringleader ? I reckon it'd be accidental death, or misadventure, or something like that.

[black_cat51]

hope so - those poor people!

[SeaJayPea]

According to Jeremy Vine this morning, a nurse who was there told them they should ease off as there was something wrong with him. They told her to *** off. If that turns out to actually be true, they may well have some kind of a case to answer.

[andy-hughes]

I think this will be recorded as an accidental death - which it appears it was.

There will be people who thought this man 'got what he deserved', but I don;t think anyone deserves to die of anything but natural causes.

As for the poor baby he has left behind, as well as other family and friends - they don't deserve their pain and sorrow either.

[andy-hughes]

ColinandJess - a good point - 'misadventure' may be more appropriate.

It is almost impossible to get a message through to a mob of people firing on adrenaline and self-righteous anger - which the nurse in question found out.

A tragedy all round.

[ToraToraTora]

one less theiving lowlife, result!

[andy-hughes]

Life must be very simple on your planet Tora.

[wolf63]

8 people sitting on him seems a bit like mob mentality. He deserved to be detained by the crowd but not for this to happen. They were a little OTT.

[Retrochic]

I agree with Tora. This lowlife armed himself with a sledgehammer to steal from hard-working people just trying to make a living. Who knows what would have happened if he had not been grappled to the ground? He could have swung his sledgehammer and killed an innocent bystander. Then you would all be singing from a very different hymn sheet.

[ToraToraTora]

perhaps Andy, but on your planet it seems these lowlives would thrive. I prefer my planet.

[Baldric]

Don't say he deserved it, but no-one forced him to dress up and attack the Jewellers Shop!
Live by the Sword .... . . . .

[Svejk]

His family reckon its the police's fault for not giving him mouth to mouth etc. straightaway. mmm, wonder why?

[Retrochic]

Svjek -no doubt the same family who will be posting glowing reports on FB how he was an ace guy and top family man......

[Peter Pedant]

well of course we dont know we werent there

DT says no charges - one witness says he ( dead one ) was swinging a sledge hammer near the jewellers head and had no regard for safety.

Altho it is still moot I think whether you can kill so save someone else life, it is quite clear you can kill to preserve ( lawfully ) your own life

I think a good case will be made that all thse involved were in fear of their own lives


Apocryphal case in Manch - the Brass handles pub Ordsall now closed for reasons which will become obvious - two people walked into the pub with guns and were disarmed by the drinkers.
They ended up dead on the green outside and the drinkers went back to their drinking work.....

[Peter Pedant]

Here:

http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/brass-handles-pub-scene-of-gangland-898977

erm I am not suggesting anyone was behaving lawfully in that one

[ChillDoubt]

Accidental, but no loss to society.
For those who claim excessive force, people can become almost superhuman when it becomes apparent to them that they're about to lose their liberty.
I was once in a custody suite with a suspect. Getting booked in, everything going fine until he was asked to remove his jewellery.
He went absolutely Radio Rental, started kicking, punching, biting, spitting, screaming etc. It took 6 of us to restrain him and prevent him from head butting the floor.
It turned out he liked to work on his physique and had a fit of 'roid rage'.
In extremis, some will act and behave as befits their situation.

[marje]

This is part of an article which was in the Daily Mirror today:

Nurse Sarah Seaman, who witnessed the incident, told the coroner: "I got close to the gentleman on the floor to check he was OK. He said he couldn't breathe but he didn't say that in a way you would if you couldn't breathe. He just said it matter-of-factly."

I would have thought it obvious that, if 8 people were piled on top of another person, that person wouldn't be able to breathe. It's like death by having a load of rocks piled on you. Apparently he was unconscious when the police arrived but died in hospital the next day.

Whatever you think of the man, he didn't deserve to die like that and it must have been traumatic for the 8 to find out that he had actually died.

Horrible incident for the shop staff too.

[ChillDoubt]

No, he didn't deserve to die like that but as Baldric says, live by the sword......

Capture is an occupational hazard associated with armed robbery. The resultant death whilst regrettable but as I've said, not a loss to society.