"excessive Nationalism"

[sp1814]

How would YOU describe 'excessive nationalism'?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-nigel-farage-accuses-alex-salmond-of-stirring-up-excessive-nationalism-9711666.html

[sp1814]

wolf63

Please tell me that's not fake.

It's really quite awesome.

[sevenOP]

ToraToraTora's first post is on the right track.

I would hazard a guess that 'Nationalism' has a different meaning to every single one who has posted so far..... wait, maybe that's an example of "excessive Nationalism" - where you all think you are talking about the 'same thing'.

[Hypognosis]

For me, Nationalism starts at self-satisfaction, pride, admiration of ourselves and others born inside the same arbitrary geographical boundary, love of the scenery (other than true wilderness, it's the work of people) and of our history.

It becomes excessive as soon as someone starts suggesting we are somehow 'better' than other nations. If this was demonstrably true, we can leave it to those other nations to tell us how great we are.

[sp1814]

TTT

Sorry...I know it's irritating when someone starts a thread and doesn't bother to give their own opinion.

Personally, I think excessive nationalism defined as a love of one's country which overwhelming to the extent that you believe all others to be inferior beings.

[anotheoldgit]

sp1814

/// Personally, I think excessive nationalism defined as a love of one's country which overwhelming to the extent that you believe all others to be inferior beings. ///

In many cases they are, for example we in this country have ceased to behead people.

[New Judge]

"...nationalism becomes excessive at the point where it asserts that its culture and values are better than those of others, an attitude which could be construed as elitist and even fascist."

What a strange statement

! I most certainly think that British culture and values, in general, are better than many others. Not quite so good as some, but certainly better than most. There is nothing "elitist" in striving to be the best and believing that in some respects you are. As for such an opinion being fascist words fail me. A few characteristics of a generally accepted description of fascism:

- the veneration of the state
- a devotion to a strong leader
- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism.
- views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation
- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations

Do you really think that believing your country has a higher standard of culture and values puts you in the same category as people who subscribe to the above? As I said, I believe British culture and values to be superior to many others, but I certainly do not have the fascist tendencies I mention.

[mccfluff]

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-29068391

sadly not

[Hypognosis]

^^@AOG

Not watching the news then?
(I'm surprised there's no thread about it yet).

[jno]

NJ, you've included the word "ultranationalism" in your answer, which seems to me to be begging the question, since it's what sp1814 asked in the first place.

[Hypognosis]

@NJ

//- the veneration of the state //

Everyone of us knows someone who loved "Thatcher's Britain"

// - a devotion to a strong leader //

Such as Margaret Thatcher?

//- an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. //

fortunately rare in Britain. We all dread being thought of as little Hitlers.

// - views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation //

Hmm. I think that's what Pinochet was trying to achieve - taking the Falklands as a distraction from the complete shambles at home.

//- it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations //
Hitler is probably on film saying stuff like this. We are not privy to what is said among the upper echelons of our society. Not perfect but at least they aren't shouting it from a pulpit.

[sevenOP]

[ToraToraTora]

"Personally, I think excessive nationalism defined as a love of one's country which overwhelming to the extent that you believe all others to be inferior beings. " that also describes religion SP

Hypo that goes for most PMs Hypo, not sure why you singled out TGL. Oh and it was Galtieri, Pinochet was Chilean leader.

[ToraToraTora]

Sevenop:all I got was "an error has occured please try later"

[Hypognosis]

Thanks for the correction, Tora. An inexplicable memory hole.

So it's Galtieri Airlines freebies I need to be cautious of, then?

[sevenOP]

ToraTT, not sure why: here it is without the AB compulsory embedding in case it does not work below, just delete obvious gaps:
https: // www .youtube. com/watch ?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

[FrogNog]

The News section of Answerbank ;)

[Hypognosis]

@sevenOP

you've got spaces in your url so it won't work on the AB page.

The video has no title. Can you hint at what we are about to see?

[sevenOP]

Hypognosis, I deliberately put spaces in to post it otherwise it would have been yet another youtube error box.( I used correct URL in second failed youtube link)

For some reason(?) it will not be accepted; curious.

Just delete the spaces and cut and paste.

[jomifl]

A colleague of mine was micro-nationalistic. He told me that he thought that surrey was 'the most beautiful county in Britain, it had everything'. I must say that considering it's soaring snow covered peaks, majestic rivers and foam lashed cliffs, he had a point, not a very strong one but a point....of sorts.

[Hypognosis]

Testing the yT link…