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Dave Lee Travis Verdict
DLT found guilty of indecent assault - cleared on another count - no verdict on third count of sexual assault.
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Old_Geezer - "I guess he must have been one of those who considered grabbing tits & bum a form of flirting. I've met one or two of those in the past. Strange how some folk can't or simply never think of putting themselves in the position of those they are affecting." That was pretty much Travis's defence - saying 'I am a tactile person ...' which translates as - "If I...
13:45 Tue 23rd Sep 2014
naomi, it may be true that Savile went unconvicted only because his crimes weren't discovered... or it may not; since he was never given the chance to defend himself in court, we'll never know.
But one of the reasons he was never charged was that his accusers were ignored. The whole point of Yewtree is to ensure this doesn't happen again. So Travis's accusers were taken seriously and Travis was given his day in court. And the jury, having listened to the evidence, found him guilty of a crime. That's justice for you. And I hope the penalty is equally just. There's nothing remotely improper in any of this.
But one of the reasons he was never charged was that his accusers were ignored. The whole point of Yewtree is to ensure this doesn't happen again. So Travis's accusers were taken seriously and Travis was given his day in court. And the jury, having listened to the evidence, found him guilty of a crime. That's justice for you. And I hope the penalty is equally just. There's nothing remotely improper in any of this.
Naomi - and all -
sioncere aplogies for the last couple of posts which are, as you quite rightly point out, rude in the extreme.
I left my computer open at this screen while I was away for a few minutes, and one of my colleagues has decided to indulge their inappropriate sense of 'humour' under the guise of being me.
I can only apologise and hope that everyone who knows me - including yourself naiomi - would know that such rudeness and unpleasantness is not the way I conduct myself on the AB.
Again apologies, I will close the screen in future before leaving my PC open to such misuse.
sioncere aplogies for the last couple of posts which are, as you quite rightly point out, rude in the extreme.
I left my computer open at this screen while I was away for a few minutes, and one of my colleagues has decided to indulge their inappropriate sense of 'humour' under the guise of being me.
I can only apologise and hope that everyone who knows me - including yourself naiomi - would know that such rudeness and unpleasantness is not the way I conduct myself on the AB.
Again apologies, I will close the screen in future before leaving my PC open to such misuse.
Have we reached a point where we have to determine the 'morality behind' and the 'motives for' an accusation before any action is taken?
I don't really care quite what the motives of any of the accusers have been...they have given their statements, had the statements 'tested' prior to trial and then had them tested again, rigorously, at trial.
The Jury has found their evidence compelling and made the judgement that they believe the accusations to be true.
What happens after that, compensation-wise, is nobody's business other than the people directly involved.
I don't really care quite what the motives of any of the accusers have been...they have given their statements, had the statements 'tested' prior to trial and then had them tested again, rigorously, at trial.
The Jury has found their evidence compelling and made the judgement that they believe the accusations to be true.
What happens after that, compensation-wise, is nobody's business other than the people directly involved.
ludwig - "You've got quite sophisticated pranksters at your place andy. If I'd left my screen open someone would have just written 'I'm a complete n0bhead - signed ludwig', rather than seamlessly joining in the debate."
We have - and the coleague in question shares a similar use and rejoicing in verbal expression as do I.
If you are hintging that I wrote the last few rude posts myself, and am now trying to wriggle out of being offensive, then you don't know me very well.
I have never backed down in any debate, I will fight my corner vigourously, but being deliberately offensive is not the way I am, and lying to cover up another's transgressions is certainly not the way I am.
I have apologised for any offence which was caused - and I hope naomi will accept my apology, and we can move on, without getting sidetracked into an argument about my integrity.
We have - and the coleague in question shares a similar use and rejoicing in verbal expression as do I.
If you are hintging that I wrote the last few rude posts myself, and am now trying to wriggle out of being offensive, then you don't know me very well.
I have never backed down in any debate, I will fight my corner vigourously, but being deliberately offensive is not the way I am, and lying to cover up another's transgressions is certainly not the way I am.
I have apologised for any offence which was caused - and I hope naomi will accept my apology, and we can move on, without getting sidetracked into an argument about my integrity.
naomi - "//You've got quite sophisticated pranksters at your place andy.//
Speed-readers too."
We have cross-posted, and I hope you have read my last post.
Before anyone else gets into this - would you like to consider the possibilkity that my colleague is also an AB user and contributor, and has been following the debate from their own PC?
Speed-readers too."
We have cross-posted, and I hope you have read my last post.
Before anyone else gets into this - would you like to consider the possibilkity that my colleague is also an AB user and contributor, and has been following the debate from their own PC?
jackthehat - "Have we reached a point where we have to determine the 'morality behind' and the 'motives for' an accusation before any action is taken?
I don't really care quite what the motives of any of the accusers have been...they have given their statements, had the statements 'tested' prior to trial and then had them tested again, rigorously, at trial.
The Jury has found their evidence compelling and made the judgement that they believe the accusations to be true.
What happens after that, compensation-wise, is nobody's business"
Thanks jack - hopefully we are back on track.
I don't really care quite what the motives of any of the accusers have been...they have given their statements, had the statements 'tested' prior to trial and then had them tested again, rigorously, at trial.
The Jury has found their evidence compelling and made the judgement that they believe the accusations to be true.
What happens after that, compensation-wise, is nobody's business"
Thanks jack - hopefully we are back on track.
Zacs - I have explained what has occured.
It is clear that you do not believe my explanation.
Consider - as a seasoned and regular debater on this site, and one who as regularly apologied when offence has been given - why do you imagine i would make up this scenario, rather than simply saying to naomi that I was out of line, I was carried away, and I apologise?
I have done it before, and would do so again, if it were needed.
It is clear that you do not believe my explanation.
Consider - as a seasoned and regular debater on this site, and one who as regularly apologied when offence has been given - why do you imagine i would make up this scenario, rather than simply saying to naomi that I was out of line, I was carried away, and I apologise?
I have done it before, and would do so again, if it were needed.
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