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Why do we allow such disgusting scenes on our once peaceful English streets?
Look what we have allowed in the quest to create a multicultural country?
If these Kurds feels so strong about what is happening to their fellow Kurds, why don't they go over to Iraq and help to get rid of ISIS?
Why do we allow such disgusting scenes on our once peaceful English streets?
Look what we have allowed in the quest to create a multicultural country?
If these Kurds feels so strong about what is happening to their fellow Kurds, why don't they go over to Iraq and help to get rid of ISIS?
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Not so crass ZM. The olden days of highwaymen, peaky blinders Rippers etc etc, are long gone, our Police force and the Governments of the day brought this country into line, the crassness was bringing ye Olde England up in the first place. The people who are now taking us for granted in our own country lived in bad conditions with bad governments, and it is not our...
17:46 Sun 05th Oct 2014
ANOTHEOLDGIT said,
"The meagre state pension that I take from your and others hard earned tax money, is a drop in the ocean compared to the huge amounts in Foreign aid and the vast amounts supporting some of our immigrants."
How many billions of pounds are spent each year on State Pensions and other Social Security benefits?
How many billions of pounds are spent each year paying the State Pension and other Social Security benefits to immigrants?
How many billions of pounds are spent each year on foreign aid?
How many billions of pounds are paid each year by immigrants in the form of National Insurance and taxes?
"The meagre state pension that I take from your and others hard earned tax money, is a drop in the ocean compared to the huge amounts in Foreign aid and the vast amounts supporting some of our immigrants."
How many billions of pounds are spent each year on State Pensions and other Social Security benefits?
How many billions of pounds are spent each year paying the State Pension and other Social Security benefits to immigrants?
How many billions of pounds are spent each year on foreign aid?
How many billions of pounds are paid each year by immigrants in the form of National Insurance and taxes?
AOG
The 'we' I referred to is you and I.
I have previously sent a link showing the proportion of my money that goes to your pension, and how much goes to overseas development and aid.
Would you like me to send you the links yet again?
I'm more than happy to do so.
As an added bonus, I could send you stats showing that rather than costing the Treasury, tax contributions from immigrants show a net credit to national income.
The 'we' I referred to is you and I.
I have previously sent a link showing the proportion of my money that goes to your pension, and how much goes to overseas development and aid.
Would you like me to send you the links yet again?
I'm more than happy to do so.
As an added bonus, I could send you stats showing that rather than costing the Treasury, tax contributions from immigrants show a net credit to national income.
Overseas aid = £11.3billion:
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State benefits = £74.2billion:
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Again - you're more than welcome. I'm happy for my tax money to help you towards a decent standard of living, as long as you behave yourself.
;-)
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State benefits = £74.2billion:
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Again - you're more than welcome. I'm happy for my tax money to help you towards a decent standard of living, as long as you behave yourself.
;-)
AOG
You wrote:
"And don't forget it was my forefathers and my generation who made this country what it was, an attractive country which has provided a safe haven for your parents and others to come here to make their home."
Weirdly, it was your generation who attempted to destroy the country in the 70s with your labour disputes, inefficient practices and pay demands that practicaly destroyed the country.
Thank God for the immigrants who carried on working whilst your unions were attempting to bring the country down, eh?
Not pointing the finger directly at you - just the people of your years (I remember the queues for bread, the power cuts and winter of discontent that your generation gave us).
Again, nothing personal...it's just that the 70s sucked...and the country only got back on its feet once my generation started working in the 80s and sorted out the mess your people created.
You wrote:
"And don't forget it was my forefathers and my generation who made this country what it was, an attractive country which has provided a safe haven for your parents and others to come here to make their home."
Weirdly, it was your generation who attempted to destroy the country in the 70s with your labour disputes, inefficient practices and pay demands that practicaly destroyed the country.
Thank God for the immigrants who carried on working whilst your unions were attempting to bring the country down, eh?
Not pointing the finger directly at you - just the people of your years (I remember the queues for bread, the power cuts and winter of discontent that your generation gave us).
Again, nothing personal...it's just that the 70s sucked...and the country only got back on its feet once my generation started working in the 80s and sorted out the mess your people created.
Hang on there sp - I went through the 'Winter of discontent' as well and feeling helpless and suffering and trying to raise babies on no money and not eating so I could feed them (I learned to bake bread and garden as a result) and bare floorboards in the 70's. Please stop trying to be separatist about this. I certainly didn't have anything to do with the power cuts and general malaise of the time and I worked my socks off from the 80's onwards once my children were at school. You are generalising, which is never a very good idea.
jourdain2
I understand where you're coming from. My memory of the 70s was as grim as yours (although I'm not trying to out-do you).
I was simply trying to give an alternate point of view to AOG. He seems to see all the negatives surrounding multiculturalism, and I am sure his truth is valid. However, just because he believes something, doesn't make it a fact. What I have observed is that immigrants who came to the UK in the 50s and 60s literally couldn't understand what their British counterparts were doing striking. Strikes simply didn't happen in many Commonwealth territories at the time.
Also, I note that AOG waves away the old story of immigrants working in the health industry. He's correct...it is indeed an old story. It's sixty years old, but still some seek to dismiss it.
Odd.
I understand where you're coming from. My memory of the 70s was as grim as yours (although I'm not trying to out-do you).
I was simply trying to give an alternate point of view to AOG. He seems to see all the negatives surrounding multiculturalism, and I am sure his truth is valid. However, just because he believes something, doesn't make it a fact. What I have observed is that immigrants who came to the UK in the 50s and 60s literally couldn't understand what their British counterparts were doing striking. Strikes simply didn't happen in many Commonwealth territories at the time.
Also, I note that AOG waves away the old story of immigrants working in the health industry. He's correct...it is indeed an old story. It's sixty years old, but still some seek to dismiss it.
Odd.
I'm on record on AB as being strongly against intervening against IS, but I see no reason this protest should have been stopped or disallowed.
They were not harming anyone, and they believe it to be an effective way of making their point. I might disagree, but it is not illegal and should not be. If they want to protest in this way, that is their right.
Freedom of speech does not come with qualifiers. It's all okay or none of it is.
They were not harming anyone, and they believe it to be an effective way of making their point. I might disagree, but it is not illegal and should not be. If they want to protest in this way, that is their right.
Freedom of speech does not come with qualifiers. It's all okay or none of it is.
sp1814
/// Weirdly, it was your generation who attempted to destroy the country in the 70s with your labour disputes, inefficient practices and pay demands that practicaly destroyed the country. ///
If it comes to that it was also your generation, since like myself I suspect you was also around during the 7os.
They were not 'MY' labour disputes etc.as you put it, but the consequences of certain members of the voting public, voting in a Labour Government and I presume by that time they contained a large number of overseas immigrants.
/// Thank God for the immigrants who carried on working whilst your unions were attempting to bring the country down, eh? ///
Many immigrants worked in car factories etc so you could also blame them for helping to bring the country down, unless they all chose to be 'Black Legs' (pardon the unintentional pun).
Incidentally I never went on strike simply because my company wasn't involved and consequently I carried on paying my taxes to provide you and yours with the facilities of the NHS etc, and still do even if I now get a little back after all those years of paying in.
/// Again, nothing personal...it's just that the 70s sucked...and the country only got back on its feet once my generation started working in the 80s and sorted out the mess your people created. ///
That is rather a pompous statement to make isn't it, and wasn't it the late Baroness Thatcher who got this country back on it's feet?
/// Weirdly, it was your generation who attempted to destroy the country in the 70s with your labour disputes, inefficient practices and pay demands that practicaly destroyed the country. ///
If it comes to that it was also your generation, since like myself I suspect you was also around during the 7os.
They were not 'MY' labour disputes etc.as you put it, but the consequences of certain members of the voting public, voting in a Labour Government and I presume by that time they contained a large number of overseas immigrants.
/// Thank God for the immigrants who carried on working whilst your unions were attempting to bring the country down, eh? ///
Many immigrants worked in car factories etc so you could also blame them for helping to bring the country down, unless they all chose to be 'Black Legs' (pardon the unintentional pun).
Incidentally I never went on strike simply because my company wasn't involved and consequently I carried on paying my taxes to provide you and yours with the facilities of the NHS etc, and still do even if I now get a little back after all those years of paying in.
/// Again, nothing personal...it's just that the 70s sucked...and the country only got back on its feet once my generation started working in the 80s and sorted out the mess your people created. ///
That is rather a pompous statement to make isn't it, and wasn't it the late Baroness Thatcher who got this country back on it's feet?
AOG
No - I wasn't working in the 70s. I was at school.
It was illegal for school children to work...except for part time work, or (as I did) with paper rounds.
Also, please note - it was Conservative governments (especially Heath) who acceded to union demands.
Also (and many people forget this) Thatcher did too...check her record during her first term.
She 'bottled it' with the unions, and only got her mettle after the Falklands War.
True story.
No - I wasn't working in the 70s. I was at school.
It was illegal for school children to work...except for part time work, or (as I did) with paper rounds.
Also, please note - it was Conservative governments (especially Heath) who acceded to union demands.
Also (and many people forget this) Thatcher did too...check her record during her first term.
She 'bottled it' with the unions, and only got her mettle after the Falklands War.
True story.
Furthermore, I am *also* providing you and yours with money for the NHS, police, army, fire service etc.
And I am one of those in the fortunate position to have given more than I have taken. With the exception of my education, I've taken little from the state. I've used the NHS once (when I broke my arm as a child), but outside that, I've always had private health insurance. Same goes for the rest of my family.
So the 'you and yours' doesn't really work with my family, as we are 'net contributors'. I worked out last year, that I've paid about £500,000 in tax and NI contributions over my working life.
So all in all...you're welcome.
But please spend your pension responsibly. I occasionally worked hard for that money.
And I am one of those in the fortunate position to have given more than I have taken. With the exception of my education, I've taken little from the state. I've used the NHS once (when I broke my arm as a child), but outside that, I've always had private health insurance. Same goes for the rest of my family.
So the 'you and yours' doesn't really work with my family, as we are 'net contributors'. I worked out last year, that I've paid about £500,000 in tax and NI contributions over my working life.
So all in all...you're welcome.
But please spend your pension responsibly. I occasionally worked hard for that money.
Kromovaracun - "Freedom of speech does not come with qualifiers. It's all okay or none of it is."
Actually - it does - http://
But to get back to AOG's original point -
"Why do we allow such disgusting scenes on our once peaceful English streets?"
For the same reason we allow BNP marches - freedom of speech within legal constraints, and avoiding deliberate attempts to cause unrest, is a concept we hold very dear indeed.
I would entirely argue with the concept of the protest, although its graphic message has certainly had the desired effect.
Actually - it does - http://
But to get back to AOG's original point -
"Why do we allow such disgusting scenes on our once peaceful English streets?"
For the same reason we allow BNP marches - freedom of speech within legal constraints, and avoiding deliberate attempts to cause unrest, is a concept we hold very dear indeed.
I would entirely argue with the concept of the protest, although its graphic message has certainly had the desired effect.
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Svejk / Jordyboy9
I'm being tongue in cheek, in the same way that AOG was when I asked whether he objected to my family's presence in the UK, and he responded that he is fine with us, as long as we 'behaved ourselves'.
This is a pretty long thread, and I don't expect you to have read every post in order to determine how we have got to our current dialogue.
I'm being tongue in cheek, in the same way that AOG was when I asked whether he objected to my family's presence in the UK, and he responded that he is fine with us, as long as we 'behaved ourselves'.
This is a pretty long thread, and I don't expect you to have read every post in order to determine how we have got to our current dialogue.
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