More Nonsense From " Britain First"

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-29858335

Quote from the BBC link :::: "When asked whether the leaflet could be seen to be prejudiced against Muslims, he said ( Paul Golding, from Britain First) "No. Not at all. We've just simply said we're against the mega-mosque. We don't want it built."

Would he have been against a mega church instead ?

[mikey4444]

I am constantly amazed how much support and/or lack of condemnation that racist organisations like "Britain First" engender here on AB. The simplest of perusal of the facts about BF will see what kind of a political party it is, ( an splinter group from the BNP ! ) and yet people would rather make silly and childish comments, like TWR at 09:48 this morning, than debate this issue of the rise of the Far Right.

[-Talbot-]

What support?

naomi's post...any response?

[mushroom25]

mikey, according to you, those who don't condemn this organization must therefore be in support of it.

and yet you howl down and shout "drivel! drivel! drivel!" at those who dare to suggest that the muslim majority may just be giving tacit approval to the radical preachers who paint the religion in such a bad light.

pot calling kettle. colour check.

[mikey4444]

Its impossible to be neutral about the BNP and Britain First. They are a racist cancer in our midst and I shall continue to make this point. Britain First is fielding a candidate in the forthcoming by-election, and the BNP would as well, if they had enough funds to do so.

[mikey4444]

Mush...I deplore extremism in any form and I have said so about Muslim Extremists on here before, but if you want me to, I am quite happy to do it again.

" I am against Muslim Extremists"

There...OK now ?

But there is no indication that the majority of Britains very small Muslim community (4.8%) are supporting this extremism, anymore than the majority of Catholics in Britain supported the IRA. To suggest otherwise is just rabble-rousing.

[TWR]

Regards your remark Micky, who is it that cry's racist all the time? Is it the Pols, Jews, Irish, Welsh, Scottish, or any other Nationality if it comes to that, they were welcomed into this country from a ????it hold country, then it starts, we want this, we want that, they know what was on offer here when the came, would you get away in their country of original spout off hatred and get away with it? would you get away in any other country when your service men returns home to get a welcome like they did in Luton? As you " MAY THINK and a few others on here, I am not Racist, I have worked along side some decent Muslims, What I am sick of, We want this policy, we want that policy, we don't like Gollywogs on Jam, Christmas Time, why the hell should we change things to suit the Minority, there is an answer to the plight, if they don't like the system, FECK OFF, Its as simple as that, when we go abroad like many on here, as soon as I get off that plane I abide by the law of that country, think about that when you comment on peoples views, we are all entitled to say how we feel, & we all know how some of the Muslim's feel, one pratt that used to be on a the corner of a London street found out when the scum was deported to the USA

[mikey4444]

Thanks TWR for your greatly extended but still childish rant. Why don't you try a more focused, adult approach to debating, rather than "feck off"

By the way, your rant has nothing to do with my OP, which was about the attempt to use racist literature during a by-election. Britain First are against the "mega" mosque ( their phrase, not mine) for the reasons that they have already given :::: "When asked whether the leaflet could be seen to be prejudiced against Muslims, he said ( Paul Golding, from Britain First) "No. Not at all. We've just simply said we're against the mega-mosque. We don't want it built."

Blatant racism, which is why Royal Mail has decided that it will not circulate their leaflet.

[agchristie]

I have lost count of the number of leaflets put through my door where local councillors have blatantly claimed the credit for area improvements and put forth statistics that are not worth the paper they are written on. They also denigrate other parties to further their aims. I frankly find that cheap and insulting in the same way.

In this instance the Royal Mail have taken a unilateral stance that it is unlawful but have hitherto failed to provide an explanation in law to substantiate their position.

The proposal to build another mosque in Medway is a subject that resonates with many people. Cries of racism will be heard all around the country but does this mean that objections cannot be raised for such fears?

What is happening to this country? Well, roll on the Election. Ukip are going to shock many allied to support on the streets by BF I'm sure.

[THECORBYLOON]

Royal Mail is using the Public Order Act 1983 Section 19

[THECORBYLOON]

Sorry 1986

[agchristie]

Here is the relevant part of the Act:-

http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1986/64/section/19

How is BF expected to relay concerns and express opposition to the building of another mosque without allegations of racism?

Is it the graphic or the text or both? Would be interesting if a poll was conducted to see what percentage of people were offended by it.

[boxtops]

This is interesting. I looked up the stats because here in this neck of the woods, the Medway towns are thought of as very ethnically diverse. However, in the 2011 census, there are 250000 people in Medway and only 5000 claimed on the census to be Muslim. Unless they planned to serve the whole of (north) Kent, why build a megamosque in Rochester? http://www.medway.gov.uk/pdf/Census%20Report%20Final.pdf

[boxtops]

^ see page 10

[agchristie]

Boxtops, good post. Now you wonder why the locals strongly oppose the consent given. It is extraordinary. Instead, the BF are accused of racism yet their views are echoed strongly by constituents.

What is it all coming to?

[Orderlimit]

"'By the way, your rant has nothing to do with my OP, which was about the attempt to use racist literature during a by-election."

whic 'race' are you referring to?

""Blatant racism, which is why Royal Mail has decided that it will not circulate their leaflet"."

Where in the BBC link does it state that?

[vetuste_ennemi]

Mikey, I'm not addressing your "nonsense" comment, but your familiar theme thatthese people are a threat. Would you be kind enough to consider the following fictitious scenario, please?
British First (or any far right group of your choice) gains sufficient local support to win council seats in several wards of a British city.
Furthermore, a number of them are elected as governors of a local school, enough, in fact, for them to constitute a majority of the board.
They are concerned about values being promoted by the school (the "positive" presentation of LGBT, say) to which most of the local people are hostile.
As a result of these concerns the head teacher is replaced and the curriculum revised.
OK, that's the picture; now some questions:
Q1. Is this scenario in ANY way plausibe? I mean, has it ever happened? Is it ever likely to happen?
Q2. Now replace "British First" with "A group of local Muslims". How does this affect your answer to Q1?

[agchristie]

Is this going to stir up anxiety among Muslims?

Not as much as the amount of locals who oppose the mosque. They must all be blatantly racist for having such a view....

How can any leaflet be devised to avoid these accusations?

[Old_Geezer]

It has not been many generations since even foreign travel was the domain of the very rich (and explorers/asylum seekers). And yet now folk are expected not just to tolerate the introduction of foreign cultures but welcome them ? Too soon, too fast, for many I think. Folk do not like to think their home is run by the 'guests', permanent or otherwise. I think the time isn't right to expect no protest against that which is not part of the culture one was born into. Leave it for a few more generations when it doesn't seem so foreign any more.

[Old_Geezer]

Having now read the link, it seems to be about non-delivery of a leaflet not whether there is a mega-mosque or not. Hardly seems particularly news-worthy. Let them take their case to the courts.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - "It is amazing that any group that opposes Islam is deemed far right wing, fascist, and racist, or any other derogative description that they can place against them."

If anyone is decrying an entire faith base, such as Islam, including every and all of its worshipers, then I would agree that this is a facist viewpoint, and I would argue against it.

What i would not argue against is Islamist extemism, which is entirely different, and as reprehensible as Zionist extremism, or even Christian extremism, and I would equally vocifourously condemn them all equally.

So I would take issue with anyone who condemns Islam, which is a peaceful faith, not not against extrremism, which is violent and abhorent, but the difference between the two is essnetial, and should be underlined in debates like this one.

"Yet the group that they are campaigning against, systematically carry out the most horrific and savage crimes, throughout the world."

Once again, I reiterate my point, the crimes which are well publicised are carried out by extremists which should not be tolerated by anyone, including the followers of the faith the murderers hide behind.