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Why Can We Not Know Identity Of This Savage?
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Old enough murder, not old enough that we can know who it is!
Old enough murder, not old enough that we can know who it is!
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Interesting point put by one ABer, that being the naming of 20 murderers in the last 5 years, yes without research an almost impossible act.
Now ask one to name 20 murders of the past, and it becomes a much easier task, why is this when we have much more reporting media at our disposal?
Could it be that 'these days' they happen on a daily basis and are so common place that some never reach our attention.
Now ask one to name 20 murders of the past, and it becomes a much easier task, why is this when we have much more reporting media at our disposal?
Could it be that 'these days' they happen on a daily basis and are so common place that some never reach our attention.
TTT - "... no but many do enter the public psyche and are thus instantly recognisable by the public."
But given that the murderer is unlikely to see the light of day any time soom - if at all - it is pointless that anyone knows his name isn't it?
I know who Peter Sutcliffe is, but that knowledge does nothing to assist me in my daily life - and why would it?
But given that the murderer is unlikely to see the light of day any time soom - if at all - it is pointless that anyone knows his name isn't it?
I know who Peter Sutcliffe is, but that knowledge does nothing to assist me in my daily life - and why would it?
AOG - "Interesting point put by one ABer ..."
Come on AOG - it's a new week, let's not keep up the ignoring behaviour shall we?
" ... that being the naming of 20 murderers in the last 5 years, yes without research an almost impossible act.
Now ask one to name 20 murders of the past, and it becomes a much easier task, why is this when we have much more reporting media at our disposal?
Could it be that 'these days' they happen on a daily basis and are so common place that some never reach our attention."
i am not sure that statistically, more murders take place, although the thread that runs through the media, and the public it informs, means that the more savage and brutal a murder is, the more exposure it tends to attract.
You and I both remember the Moors Murderers and the massive outcry of revulsion there was back in the 1960's, which has honestly never really abated in my experience.
I do think that murders attract more media coverage the more pointless and savage they appear to be, although in reality, all murder is brutal and savage.
Come on AOG - it's a new week, let's not keep up the ignoring behaviour shall we?
" ... that being the naming of 20 murderers in the last 5 years, yes without research an almost impossible act.
Now ask one to name 20 murders of the past, and it becomes a much easier task, why is this when we have much more reporting media at our disposal?
Could it be that 'these days' they happen on a daily basis and are so common place that some never reach our attention."
i am not sure that statistically, more murders take place, although the thread that runs through the media, and the public it informs, means that the more savage and brutal a murder is, the more exposure it tends to attract.
You and I both remember the Moors Murderers and the massive outcry of revulsion there was back in the 1960's, which has honestly never really abated in my experience.
I do think that murders attract more media coverage the more pointless and savage they appear to be, although in reality, all murder is brutal and savage.
"Leave to appeal to the ECHR would only be granted in the event that there was grounds to believe that due legal process has not been followed. "
Just a couple of points of clarification, andy (without necessarily being pertinent to this question):
The ECHR does not usually become involved in examining whether due legal process has been followed. The UK court process via the Court of Appeal, the High Court and the Supreme Court, is perfectly able to deal with matters of UK law. Contrarily, the ECHR normally becomes involved precisely because, although due legal process has been followed, the appellant believes that the due legal process contravenes one or more of his Human Rights. In short it deals with challenges to the "legality" of UK legislation.
In the UK, with the exception of an appeal from the Magistrates' Court to the Crown Court, permission to appeal to a higher court is normally required. Leave to appeal" to the ECHR is not required.
As far as this question is concerned, the anonymity granted automatically to persons involved in court proceedings is one of the many inadequacies of the Youth Justice system in the UK. The deal is that individuals give up the right to exact justice from their transgressors and in return the State undertakes to do so on their behalf. For this to work the said justice must be seen to be done and it cannot be seen if the public do not know who is being dealt with.
Just a couple of points of clarification, andy (without necessarily being pertinent to this question):
The ECHR does not usually become involved in examining whether due legal process has been followed. The UK court process via the Court of Appeal, the High Court and the Supreme Court, is perfectly able to deal with matters of UK law. Contrarily, the ECHR normally becomes involved precisely because, although due legal process has been followed, the appellant believes that the due legal process contravenes one or more of his Human Rights. In short it deals with challenges to the "legality" of UK legislation.
In the UK, with the exception of an appeal from the Magistrates' Court to the Crown Court, permission to appeal to a higher court is normally required. Leave to appeal" to the ECHR is not required.
As far as this question is concerned, the anonymity granted automatically to persons involved in court proceedings is one of the many inadequacies of the Youth Justice system in the UK. The deal is that individuals give up the right to exact justice from their transgressors and in return the State undertakes to do so on their behalf. For this to work the said justice must be seen to be done and it cannot be seen if the public do not know who is being dealt with.
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