How Did This Savage Escape Jail?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-29931463
absolutely horrific serial killer.

[pixie373]

I was a vegetarian for years- but people eat meat, so cows are bred and killed for that reason. What is the motivation in killing birds yourself?

[gness]

Well, Ludwig...that would depend on whether or not one eats meat....on whether of not one finds out about how their meat arrives on the table.....

I can't divorce those who prepare meat for our table from those who kill for pleasure because I have seen some horrific videos from abattoirs and the conditions in which some animals are reared.......

But wandering around the woods killing is still weird to me......couldn't be doing with anyone who did that....x

[ummmm]

I don't have any objections of animals being killed for food.

[andy-hughes]

ludwig - I think killing for food and killing for fun are two separate concepts - wouldn't you agree?

[pixie373]

DB, they could buy pheasant if they wanted already. That isn't why they do it.

[andy-hughes]

duvebuddy - "a-h, but all the pheasants are eaten, mostly by those who shoot them. I don't suppose the average slaughterman actually eats what he kills."

True, but what about the non-food animals and birds that are shot?

As pixie says, and you and I agree, they don't shoot for food.

[Zacs-Master]

If the people who shoot the pheasants round here ate them, they would be extremely corpulent.

[Clanad]

Late to the thread, but divebuddy would fit neatly into the culture of our section of the western U.S. Besides, where else but hunting can a man spit between his teeth and scratch an itch in his 'private parts' without looking around to see who's watching?

Thing is, I see criticism leveled at hunters for "killing for fun" when in fact, the kill itself has little to do with the skill and self-reliance involved in hunting for "fun". It's been shown, for example with pheasants that the rate of survival through a western U.S. winter is only about 30% or so. The birds that die 'naturally' either starve, freeze or are taken by various and sundry predators. Predation by coyotes, badgers, skunks, barn owls and hawks is not a pretty process either, but one that's certainly slower and more painful than a good shot with number 6 shot from an 80 year old Winchester 12 gauge shot gun at 30 or 40 yards.

Plus, if one is fortunate enough to be blessed with children... boys or girls, the instillment of appreciation for fire arms and hunting creates bonds that last a life time.

So, we've taken Pronghorn antelope, Mule deer and Elk so far this fall and pheasant season just opened. We'll do the waterfowl hunt just before Thanksgiving!

[pixie373]

Killed for food. But what makes somebody actually want to do it themselves, if they don't need to?

[gness]

Mmmm....we've seen what happens when children are introduced to guns.

If we didn't want to listen we wouldn't still be here......of course we are listening.....just in case something is said to make us understand that this activity is normal.

[Zacs-Master]

Clanad, and I bet you don't eat all your quarry, do you?

[Zacs-Master]

I'm not sure what there is to understand. People like killing for sport. I suppose as early man, once our bellies were full and we had a bit of spare time, there wasn't much else to do.

[Clanad]

Not to worry divebuddy, we see some of the same thing here.

Back in the early 1900's here in my home State the pronghorn antelope were nearly exctinct since there was no management of the animal. People just shot them (mostly for food) anywhere at anytime of the year. In about 1910, the Game and Fish Commission was established with laws approved for numbers of game animals and limited season for when they could be taken. Additionlly, a provision to share a percentage of the licensing required was to be shared with the landowner on who's land the game was taken.

In just ten years, the population of antelope increased into the thousands, the land owners were receiving $2 per license as a fee (mainly for fence repair since antelope are hard on fences). Areas that a few years previous may have had 500 head of antelope now had 3,000. In really bad winters, some of the license fees went to feed the game animals to keep predation and starving losses down.

I can't know about the U.K. of course, but hunting here is still a way of life that's enjoyable but also provides a variety of food for the table.

Ironically, there are commercially raised elk and people pay in excess of $25 for elk steak in a restaurant. A license costs me $20 but that fee goes to about $300 for out of State hunters, which they gladly pay...

[Clanad]

Zacs, of course we eat it all... some is given to charitable places, such as orphanages, but not a bit goes to waste.

Gness... seems we've had this discussion before, but unless you've tried it I'd recommend you not condemn it. Ever eaten fresh pheasant? I've got some really good recipes, if not...

[Zacs-Master]

Ah right. I did mean you personally tho, but thanks for the clarification.

[gness]

Clannad....I've never tried kicking a cat.....may relieve my frustrations or anger... but I'd still condemn anyone who did it.....and not give it a try myself.

I've met weird hunters/killers in America and Canada...I'm weird..but not that weird....

Recipes?.....Nope....I don't cook....but thank you...x