Was This Death Caused Deliberately Or Was It Just An Unfortunate Accident Caused In The Process Of An Arrest?

[anotheoldgit]

Yet another black man killed by a white police officer, and who is later cleared by a Grand Jury, which has again triggered off riots.

The unfortunate victim was a large powerful man, how else could the police officer manage to wrestle him to the ground and thus prevent him from going through the plate glass window of the store?

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/eric-garner-chokehold-case-police-officer-daniel-pantaleo-not-charged-9901893.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/04/nyregion/grand-jury-said-to-bring-no-charges-in-staten-island-chokehold-death-of-eric-garner.html

[Svejk]

Some of our ABers should offer to share their expertise in restraint methods with international police forces. It seems a shame that they only share their vast experience here when they could prevent any further accidents by passing their methods on.

[Bazile]

i think the indication in this case is that the officer did not loosen his grip

[Bazile]

You don't have to be an expert in restraint methods to see that - someone saying that they can't breathe - probably means that they can't breathe

[ummmm]

Sven.....I was trained in restraint but never taught to do a neck hold.

[Sqad]

Bazile.....6ft+....25stone ***........resisting arrest.......I would think twice about changing ANYTHING before those handcuffs were securely on.

[Mamyalynne]

Restraint,heavy or otherwise is often needed,in this case I don't think it was.

[237SJ]

It`s perfectly possible to be dying and say you can`t breath - the two aren`t mutually exclusive http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2358803/Angolan-deportee-Jimmy-Mubenga-unlawfully-killed-British-Airways-flight-restrained-G4S-guards.html

[Sqad]

Why is the word "n.e.g.r.o banned on AB?

[jim360]

A lot of the objections to my, and Mikey's, points might hold a lot more weight if there hadn't also been a coroner's ruling of homicide. In that respect it seems incredible that not even any charges have been brought. And, heck, the coroner will have had access to most, if not all, of the evidence, so it's not like his opinion will have been entirely ill-informed.

The video seems to imply that the resist of arrest lasted barely a few seconds before one officer went for the neck. I find it equally hard to believe that other, less potentially life-threatening, methods of restraint weren't available. They certainly can't have been seriously considered. The guy was already outnumbered. That should have been enough in itself to restrain him without leading to his death.

It's one of several incidents that smack of an attitude police in the US take where they rapidly jump to the final sanction before going through any of the others. A 12-year-old boy was shot dead within two seconds. That strikes me as incredibly quick, especially when it's clear that the officer involved erroneously reached the conclusion that he was "maybe 20". It's an attitude that should be far more troubling than it seems to be. Perhaps because we're mostly based in the UK, so it's "over there", and less of a threat.

[237SJ]

*breathe*

[tamborine]

Why dont more blacks join their police forces and stop whingeing about institutional racism?

[RandyMarsh]

Make your own mind up and count the number of times he begs for his life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-xHqf1BVE4

[Baldric]

Sqad,
Do you think it's correct to say you genuinely can't breathe then you would have difficulty in saying so.
We were always taught in training to submit by tapping the opponent or the mat/floor with the hands or feet to signal surrender due to the holds effectiveness.

[sp1814]

tamborine

Police forces in the U.S. have many capable, hard working black and Hispanic officers. I've been fortunate to travel all over America and can confirm this is the case.

divebuddy's point is valid - police officers often have to make

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// To hear 'Eric Garner' say repeatedly that he could not breath has made my blood run cold, yet they simply applied more pressure. ///

How on earth do you possibly know that they applied 'more' pressure?

I wonder how many criminals who are being restrained by a police officer have uttered these words, "eh lay off you are hurting me"?

[RandyMarsh]

Well, AOG, he died, that kinda points out that lethal force was used.

[Sqad]

Baldric

\\\\Do you think it's correct to say you genuinely can't breathe then you would have difficulty in saying so.\\\

I think that if you DIDN't have enough breath to say "I can't breath"....then you may well be in a spot of bother.

People would have varying thresholds of "shortness of breath" and might say "I can't breath" at differing levels of "stragulation" (for want of a better word)
Some people, including me, would say " I can't breath" at the start of the fracas in order to alleviate the trouble that is about to ensue.

"I can't breath" is an emotive and media catching phrase which may or may not be relevant.

[RandyMarsh]

Look at the video, count the officers, asses how much resistance he is putting up and then decide if the amount of force is appropriate for a man who is not fighting back.

[Sqad]

RandyMarsh

\\\Well, AOG, he died, that kinda points out that lethal force was used.\\

Does it?