Is This The Start Of The Struggle Against Islamification?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-30685842
Is the west finally waking up to what is happenning? Will this lead to more serious action?

[retrocop]

naomi,
Exactly. A case of "Nicht in minen back yard"

[naomi24]

Can't say I blame them.

[RATTER15]

We need to start doing something in this country as well, they breed like rabbits and spread their filthy laws and practices like a disease!!

We need to reclaim the areas they have already corrupted!!

I have no problem with foreigners, just their practices and trying to change our cultures to suit them!!

[naomi24]

Ratter, that's the point. Most foreigners integrate. These protests aren't about them.

[sp1814]

youngmafbog

Now it gets confusing...what do Pegida actually want (I can't read their manifesto unfortunately - my German is limited).

What does 'Islamification' mean? Does that mean the cessation of halal meat production? A ban (or at least a limit) to the number of Muslims allowed into the EU?

A ban on new mosque builds?

The demolition of existing mosques?

Repatriation of Muslims?

A burqa ban?

Or a combination of all of these?

[vetuste_ennemi]

A general question to anyone following this thread, whatever view you take on the German demonstrations. Do you think the person who wrote the following is in any position to preach to others about racism?
"I only found out the other day that IDS is Japanese. Always thought he was cruel."
Or would this remark only be racist if the word Japanese were swapped for Muslim or Black.
SP, you are an expert in these matters. What do you think?

[ToraToraTora]

Once again we see the liberal elite scoffing at the fears of the ordinary person in the street. Why don't you occasionally refrain from throwing your customary insults and try and understand why so many feel as they do and possibly even perhaps try and use your superior understanding of the situation to allay those fears? if someone is afraid do you pile in and call them names as a default?

[sp1814]

naomi24

You wrote:

"Gromit, they're not xenophobes and neither are they racist. They are demonstrating against one section of society that is having an inordinate effect on their own."

Ideally, neo-Nazi groups would not attach themselves to these marches...but unfortunately they do.

Pergida is "Umbrella group for German right-wing, attracting support from mainstream conservatives to neo-Nazi factions and football hooligans".

I think it is remarkably over-generous to assume that far right groups have not infiltrated the group.

It's one of the reasons why I as a black gay man, could never see myself supporting a group which attracts that element.

It would be as unwise for me to join such a group as it would to try and hold a same sex wedding in a mosque.

[RATTER15]

youngmafbog , they just need to stop corrupting our cultures and systems and try to adapt and drop the Sharia law in a cess pit where it belongs, and if Muslims want to remain Muslim, then keep it behind their own front door!!

[ToraToraTora]

that is ok vetuste because the target is a white Tory Bloke.

[sp1814]

TTT

Who are you referring to? Surely I'm not part of 'the liberal elite'?? I grew up in a council house without an inside toilet and to this day, I prefer Heinz Salad Cream to poncey Italian dressings.

vetuste_ennemi - that certainly seems like a racist comment...but you never need to get someone else's confirmation on what you should feel. I may have a completely different outlook to you.

[ToraToraTora]

"It's one of the reasons why I as a black gay man, could never see myself supporting a group which attracts that element. " - yes SP you'd be only slight less popular than you would in an Islamic state.

[ToraToraTora]

who did say that vetuste? I have my suspicions.

[vetuste_ennemi]

NO, TTT, the target was a whole race - the Japanese.

[whirlyhurly]

We should never have permitted the building of mosques. Churches are not built in Islamic countries.

[ToraToraTora]

yes I understand vetuste but it seems like the tail end of an anti IDS rant and we all know who is famous on here for those don't we.

[sp1814]

So TTT, how could I support this cause, without opening myself to potential attack?

The neo-Nazis aren't too keen on the blacks.

[sp1814]

whirlyhurly

Not true.

[vetuste_ennemi]

It is just about possible the insult to IDS is deserved (some people are cruel). The attribution of that cruelty to genetics meets every normal criterion of "racism". But (with due respect, as they say) you are NOT the expert - SP is. I want his opinion.

[ToraToraTora]

we are not talking about nazis sp we are talking about people who are worried about the Islamification of the west, I'd have thought you would be first in line.