Could This Crisis Have Anything To Do With To Many

[trt]

Migrants being allowed into the Country?

It cant have helped the situation.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2898505/Now-SEVENTH-hospital-declares-major-incident-NHS-E-crisis-issues-SOS-plea-duty-nurses.html

[DTCwordfan]

Table 1 here is interesting - and no doubt the management numbers have got worse.

http://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/general-election-2010/key-election-questions/how-many-managers

[ummmm]

Haven't hospitals always struggled at this time of year?

[DTCwordfan]

Actually, I would have thought that recent immigration wasn't that much a problem as immigrants tend to be younger and fitter. How about the increasing age of the population, never mind the number of patients who should really be in a GP's practice?

[boxtops]

Yes ummm, it's called Winter Pressures, it's been recognised as long as I've been in the NHS - but this year it seems already worse.

[boxtops]

DTC yes - the increasing age of the population, with all the associated Long Term Conditions, is not helping the workload of general practice.

[ummmm]

Yes...I know loads of poorly people at the moment and a few that have been sent straight to hospital by their GPs.

The sickness does seem worse this year so far. Usually fine if you're fit and healthy. Not great for the elderly and young.

[boxtops]

It doesn't help that we in the NHS have been subject to cutback after cutback. My own team were cut from 4.5 to 2 over past years, with no reduction in workload. It's only just been put back up to nearly 3 people, and that must be replicated all over the service. The NHS just can't cope with everything expected of it these days.

[Gromit]

We have the highest population in our history, and record numbers in employment and therefore record numbers paying income tax.
There should be an increase in tax raise by the Government, and that should be used to pay for the increase in demand for services caused by the higher population.
The fact that the extra demand is not being funded is a political decision by the coalition Government.
If there is a crisis, the blame has to be laid at the Government, not the new migrant taxpayers.

[bundleone]

Smoking , drinking and eating too much is part of the problem, The NHS has enough to do looking after people who are ill through no fault of their own, we now have anti smoking clinics, obesity treatments and help for alcoholics and drug addicts, if people would just take care of themselves there would be a lot less illness and neccessity to visit doctors or hospitals.

[ChillDoubt]

I concur boxy. There doesn't appear to have been a reduction in the number of JAFA's though!(Just Another *** Administrator).


Still, my Trust have their priorities in order with our 'Carbon Manager on £43,000+':

http://nhsreality.wordpress.com/2014/10/22/how-the-nhs-wales-wastes-money-on-bureaucrats-in-non-jobs-yet-has-lethally-long-waiting-lists-that-would-shame-a-third-world-country/

[anotheoldgit]

sandyRoe

/// If the migrants who work in our hospitals weren't there the crisis would be worse. ///

I thought we had chucked out all the 'old chestnuts' along with the Christmas wrapping paper.

[anotheoldgit]

Yes mass immigration is the main cause of the problem of the NHS, too many people who have more children, taking up the facilities, provided by a lesser number of NI insurance payers.

The same can be said for our schools, our transport and housing etc etc.

Yes I know that there are many, who like the indigenous population pay their way, but they also bring with them their extended families, many who have never paid.

[dave50]

When will the Labour party finally admit that the NHS as it is structured at the moment is unsustainable. All they ever go on about is how many more billions we need to keep throwing at it, with of course the BBC's help because that's all there's been on the BBC news the past couple of days. I'm sick of hearing about it. People expect everything on demand and immediately from the NHS from IVF treament, gastric bands, plastic surgery. When some half wit gets a sniffle, off they pop to A & E demanding somebody cure them. They should be told to get back home, take some paracetamol and go to bed. It's all getting out of hand. If some thing is free, people will always abuse it.

[trt]

## Yes mass immigration is the main cause of the problem of the NHS, too many people who have more children, taking up the facilities, provided by a lesser number of NI insurance payers.

The same can be said for our schools, our transport and housing etc etc.

Yes I know that there are many, who like the indigenous population pay their way, but they also bring with them their extended families, many who have never paid. ##....................................................................................

Well said OAG, my thoughts exactly.

[fruitsalad]

No it cant of helped the situation trt, if I visit my gp I can guarantee the doctor will be running at least half an hour late, I was sat in the waiting room last week when an eastern european woman came in and ask to register, the receptionist ask her if it was just for herself and she replied no there is 6 of us, how many times a day, week, month does that happen, the surgery cannot cope as it is.

[EDDIE51]

Not at Addenbrokes Cambridge it isn't. They have over 200 beds that are 'blocked' by mainly elderly patients who have been treated and are ready to be discharged but have nowhere to go as there is no care available to look after them. A direct result of the cutbacks in social care.