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Why Are Half Of Ukip Voters Racially Prejudiced?
Does UKIP specifically appeal to those with racial prejudices?
Is this something that Farage needs to worry about?
Cards on the table, when I think about it, I reckon I have a few social*, rather than racial prejudices myself, and I bet that the majority of AB News contributors are the same.
(*A social prejudice is one based on a number of factors, such as educational background, job, attitudes to crime and whether the person reads the Daily Mail etc. I believe that social prejudices are just as bad as racial prejudices - but I acknowledge them and consciously avoid acting on them).
Is this something that Farage needs to worry about?
Cards on the table, when I think about it, I reckon I have a few social*, rather than racial prejudices myself, and I bet that the majority of AB News contributors are the same.
(*A social prejudice is one based on a number of factors, such as educational background, job, attitudes to crime and whether the person reads the Daily Mail etc. I believe that social prejudices are just as bad as racial prejudices - but I acknowledge them and consciously avoid acting on them).
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To answer your question directly SP, perhaps its because the Party gives the impression that UKIP is a natural home for people who hold that view ?
Look at the average profile of a UKIP supporter...overwhelmingly white, elderly and class 2CDE.
I am beginning to have a lot of sympathy for Farage because he has an almost impossible task in controlling of some of his more looney Members. But he seems incapable of stopping them becoming active in the first place, as the affair of the racist Councillor from Thanet has shown.
Look at the average profile of a UKIP supporter...overwhelmingly white, elderly and class 2CDE.
I am beginning to have a lot of sympathy for Farage because he has an almost impossible task in controlling of some of his more looney Members. But he seems incapable of stopping them becoming active in the first place, as the affair of the racist Councillor from Thanet has shown.
@sp1814
UKIP's famously singular policy is to leave the EU, ostensibly to save us the pricey club subscription fees but with the side-benefit of being able to close the gates to the seemingly unstoppable flow of immigrants who, let's face it are all "on the make" and not even loyal to their country of origin, let alone ours.
If that second part isn't the dream of every indigenous racist, I don't know what is. Farage has got his work cut out and my impression (via selective publicity) is that he had only got around to ejecting unsuitable members in very recent weeks. Prior to Christmas, he was very full of himself about his party's rocketing membership statistics.
UKIP's famously singular policy is to leave the EU, ostensibly to save us the pricey club subscription fees but with the side-benefit of being able to close the gates to the seemingly unstoppable flow of immigrants who, let's face it are all "on the make" and not even loyal to their country of origin, let alone ours.
If that second part isn't the dream of every indigenous racist, I don't know what is. Farage has got his work cut out and my impression (via selective publicity) is that he had only got around to ejecting unsuitable members in very recent weeks. Prior to Christmas, he was very full of himself about his party's rocketing membership statistics.
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"A new girl starts working in your office, who's family are from the West Indies and you refuse to let her bank the office lottery collection because "black people are thieves". "
Actually, I would lump that in with the racial prejudice category. A pre-judged assumption about the behaviour of a group with no objective basis, in the case of the individual the comment is aimed at.
It's a variation on "lions are dangerous, for safety's sake, I'm keeping my distance from them".
To my mind, a racist remark or behaviour is one which expresses that one race is better than any other. The North Koreans think themselves superior to the rest of the planet, by recent accounts. Maybe my narrowness of thinking is because of watching too many WWII documentaries and am insensitive to anything falling short of what Nazism perpetrated?
"A new girl starts working in your office, who's family are from the West Indies and you refuse to let her bank the office lottery collection because "black people are thieves". "
Actually, I would lump that in with the racial prejudice category. A pre-judged assumption about the behaviour of a group with no objective basis, in the case of the individual the comment is aimed at.
It's a variation on "lions are dangerous, for safety's sake, I'm keeping my distance from them".
To my mind, a racist remark or behaviour is one which expresses that one race is better than any other. The North Koreans think themselves superior to the rest of the planet, by recent accounts. Maybe my narrowness of thinking is because of watching too many WWII documentaries and am insensitive to anything falling short of what Nazism perpetrated?
As I've said a number of times, the reason UKIP attracts people with bigoted views about race is that it has shown time and again that it does not care about putting dangerous extremists forward as candidates for office.
Every single time (and how many has it been now? Hundreds?) that a member of the party is found spouting horrible views, the response from the leadership is always the same:
"Oh... gosh, how terrible. We'll, um, we'll definitely sort it out. Yep."
Then the next one happens.
"Oh my! Again? This really is awful. Fortunately we are sorting out."
Then the next...
And this doesn't bother people. Your average UKIP supporter may well not be racist or racially prejudiced. However they are normally willing to just shrug off the above pattern - in fact rarely if ever do they see it as important. Frankly they seem eager for it to just go away.
Well, there's a reason it doesn't. A good one. Which is that it makes people who *are* racially prejudiced begin to look at the party as an appealing option. That's why Nick Griffin has encouraged people to vote UKIP, that's why it has many (most?) of the unreformed ex-BNP, that's why it has so many people with bigoted opinions.
That's why so many of them are prejudiced.
Every single time (and how many has it been now? Hundreds?) that a member of the party is found spouting horrible views, the response from the leadership is always the same:
"Oh... gosh, how terrible. We'll, um, we'll definitely sort it out. Yep."
Then the next one happens.
"Oh my! Again? This really is awful. Fortunately we are sorting out."
Then the next...
And this doesn't bother people. Your average UKIP supporter may well not be racist or racially prejudiced. However they are normally willing to just shrug off the above pattern - in fact rarely if ever do they see it as important. Frankly they seem eager for it to just go away.
Well, there's a reason it doesn't. A good one. Which is that it makes people who *are* racially prejudiced begin to look at the party as an appealing option. That's why Nick Griffin has encouraged people to vote UKIP, that's why it has many (most?) of the unreformed ex-BNP, that's why it has so many people with bigoted opinions.
That's why so many of them are prejudiced.
"I am beginning to have a lot of sympathy for Farage because he has an almost impossible task in controlling of some of his more looney Members. "
I disagree. There's a lot he could do - if he wanted to.
I don't think he cares, though. I don't think the man has any sense of responsibility for the people his party puts forward as electoral candidates. What's more depressing is that it works. Nobody else seems to care either, so they like it when Farage doesn't care.
I disagree. There's a lot he could do - if he wanted to.
I don't think he cares, though. I don't think the man has any sense of responsibility for the people his party puts forward as electoral candidates. What's more depressing is that it works. Nobody else seems to care either, so they like it when Farage doesn't care.
This isn't really such a big mystery - as I'm sure you're well aware sp. UKIP's main concerns are immigration and EU membership, and they are the only party that claims to care about either of these (until they started picking up support from other parties because of this, and they all jumped on the bandwagon, but that's another story).
This of course makes them the main party of choice for racists and europhobes. It does not make them a racist party, or their policies racist, or anyone else that supports them racist.
Should Farage worry about it - no not really, no more than the SNP should worry about people who hate the English voting for them.
This of course makes them the main party of choice for racists and europhobes. It does not make them a racist party, or their policies racist, or anyone else that supports them racist.
Should Farage worry about it - no not really, no more than the SNP should worry about people who hate the English voting for them.
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