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Since those with a Black and Minority Ethnic background, only account for 14% of the British population, why does the Met Police deem it necessary to set a 40 per cent target for recruiting BME officers?
Since those with a Black and Minority Ethnic background, only account for 14% of the British population, why does the Met Police deem it necessary to set a 40 per cent target for recruiting BME officers?
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I would of thought that the police and fire authorities would have learn't by now that targeting certain groups usually ends up as an expensive litigation payment when these groups are recruited. Because they have been targeted for recruitment they seem to believe they are a special case and can change rules and procedures to suit them. The police...
15:20 Sat 14th Mar 2015
The London Fire Brigade has been pursuing a policy of covert positive discrimination for many years. I know quite a number of people currently serving in the LFB and it is quite clear from what they tell me that, although not officially admitted, white men need not apply for a job in the LFB.
The LFB proudly trumpets that “We want people from all backgrounds who can do the job, regardless of race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, faith or religion and age.” However, look beneath the headlines and the suggestion is that they already have enough white British males and some more covert moves are afoot. From their website:
“We are actively encouraging more women and people from black and minority ethnic (BME) communities to think about firefighting as a career and hold targeted open days at designated weekends throughout the year. These one day events give potential women and BME trainee firefighters the opportunity to explore the role,”
These events are not open to white men so the “opportunity to explore the role” is not available to them. This has been going on since at least 2008. This document:
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explains some of the knots in which the authorities have been tied. Although this refers to the “Other White” category as the problem being addressed, there is frequent mention of “diversity targets” and other such nonsense. Among the drivel:
“The respondents who raised this issue were particularly concerned that in many instances these particular communities had specific language and cultural needs which differed from other established White groups within the community. They stressed the importance of establishing strong links with these communities in order to deliver effective fire safety advice and to achieve a balance in recruitment which better reflected the diversity of their communities. In the light of these considerations the “Other White” category has been included as part of the recruitment target requirement. “
Just what specific “language and cultural needs which differed from other established White groups within the community” do these groups exhibit (apart from somebody to provide translation services for non-English speakers)? Bear in mind that this is talking about recruitment to a force which will principally be involved with extinguishing the flames when their homes have caught light or advising them not to leave the chip oil unattended and where to stick a smoke alarm. It is not entirely clear why only “one of their own” would be able to do this effectively.
The entire business diverting resources to ensure workforces “reflect the community they serve” has reached epidemic proportions in the public sector. The jobs are there. They are open to all comers (er...except white British males, that is). If people from BME backgrounds don’t want to do them then that’s that.
The LFB proudly trumpets that “We want people from all backgrounds who can do the job, regardless of race, gender, disability, sexual orientation, faith or religion and age.” However, look beneath the headlines and the suggestion is that they already have enough white British males and some more covert moves are afoot. From their website:
“We are actively encouraging more women and people from black and minority ethnic (BME) communities to think about firefighting as a career and hold targeted open days at designated weekends throughout the year. These one day events give potential women and BME trainee firefighters the opportunity to explore the role,”
These events are not open to white men so the “opportunity to explore the role” is not available to them. This has been going on since at least 2008. This document:
http://
explains some of the knots in which the authorities have been tied. Although this refers to the “Other White” category as the problem being addressed, there is frequent mention of “diversity targets” and other such nonsense. Among the drivel:
“The respondents who raised this issue were particularly concerned that in many instances these particular communities had specific language and cultural needs which differed from other established White groups within the community. They stressed the importance of establishing strong links with these communities in order to deliver effective fire safety advice and to achieve a balance in recruitment which better reflected the diversity of their communities. In the light of these considerations the “Other White” category has been included as part of the recruitment target requirement. “
Just what specific “language and cultural needs which differed from other established White groups within the community” do these groups exhibit (apart from somebody to provide translation services for non-English speakers)? Bear in mind that this is talking about recruitment to a force which will principally be involved with extinguishing the flames when their homes have caught light or advising them not to leave the chip oil unattended and where to stick a smoke alarm. It is not entirely clear why only “one of their own” would be able to do this effectively.
The entire business diverting resources to ensure workforces “reflect the community they serve” has reached epidemic proportions in the public sector. The jobs are there. They are open to all comers (er...except white British males, that is). If people from BME backgrounds don’t want to do them then that’s that.
The problem is that few BEM people see the police as a career option.
Those that do join find that they shunned as traitors by a large section of their own community and tend to leave after a short time.
Sorry, but it is a fact that a large portion of the black community see the police a enemy to be avoided. The same applies to the non black community as well but to a far lesser degree.
Those that do join find that they shunned as traitors by a large section of their own community and tend to leave after a short time.
Sorry, but it is a fact that a large portion of the black community see the police a enemy to be avoided. The same applies to the non black community as well but to a far lesser degree.
I would of thought that the police and fire authorities would have learn't by now that targeting certain groups usually ends up as an expensive litigation payment when these groups are recruited.
Because they have been targeted for recruitment they seem to believe they are a special case and can change rules and procedures to suit them.
The police authorities had the Police Federation as their paper tooth mouthpiece.Was like that for years.As soon as BME's or women join we have The Black Police Society,the Muslim Police society.etc
The Fitness test in the Met had to be changed to accomodate female officers who apparently unable to do press ups like their male counterparts also the bleep test was adapted for females.
Different firearms and body armour were demanded by two petite female officers who won £70,000 pay out.
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We have the case of a Muslim officer in the Diplomatic Protection Group refusing to stand guard outside the Israeli Embassy.
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We have crazy demands for a female officer on every fire appliance "to cater for peoples needs"
I would need a firefighter fit and strong enough to carry a seventeen stone man in the fireman's lift down an escape ladder from a burning building.
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We have cases where black police officers play the race card for alledgedly being overlooked for promotion.They may have slipped in easily through the back door because of their colour or gender but like PC Norwell Gums they have to earn promotion not expect it.
Corrupt Muslim Senior borough commander of Kensington who fiddled his expenses and tried to fit up a restauranteur for not giving him and his mistress a free meal.
If targets must be met they should be under the same terms and conditions that apply to all in that service and are not negotiable because of race,size,gender or whatever else.
Any thing else seems to be an expensive exercise in "special recruiting"
Because they have been targeted for recruitment they seem to believe they are a special case and can change rules and procedures to suit them.
The police authorities had the Police Federation as their paper tooth mouthpiece.Was like that for years.As soon as BME's or women join we have The Black Police Society,the Muslim Police society.etc
The Fitness test in the Met had to be changed to accomodate female officers who apparently unable to do press ups like their male counterparts also the bleep test was adapted for females.
Different firearms and body armour were demanded by two petite female officers who won £70,000 pay out.
http://
We have the case of a Muslim officer in the Diplomatic Protection Group refusing to stand guard outside the Israeli Embassy.
http://
We have crazy demands for a female officer on every fire appliance "to cater for peoples needs"
I would need a firefighter fit and strong enough to carry a seventeen stone man in the fireman's lift down an escape ladder from a burning building.
http://
We have cases where black police officers play the race card for alledgedly being overlooked for promotion.They may have slipped in easily through the back door because of their colour or gender but like PC Norwell Gums they have to earn promotion not expect it.
Corrupt Muslim Senior borough commander of Kensington who fiddled his expenses and tried to fit up a restauranteur for not giving him and his mistress a free meal.
If targets must be met they should be under the same terms and conditions that apply to all in that service and are not negotiable because of race,size,gender or whatever else.
Any thing else seems to be an expensive exercise in "special recruiting"
They just had one of Corby's mates moaning on the radio,
"Every time there's a rape or a murder happens the media put pictures of black men to accompany the story. So the public associate black people with rape and murder."
Lol, lol, lol, he must think they pick random, archive pictures of black men and paste them onto all the nasty stuff.
"Every time there's a rape or a murder happens the media put pictures of black men to accompany the story. So the public associate black people with rape and murder."
Lol, lol, lol, he must think they pick random, archive pictures of black men and paste them onto all the nasty stuff.
Svejk
I freely admit this link is 15 years old but if any people think that things are any different now than then are naive and deluded.
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I freely admit this link is 15 years old but if any people think that things are any different now than then are naive and deluded.
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"Those that do join find that they shunned as traitors by a large section of their own community..."
If that's the case, Eddie (and I'm sure there's some truth to it) then no amount of encouragement or positive recruitment (or whatever else you want to call it) will alter that. The authorities should realise it, accept it, and get on with the job of running the services they are paid to provide instead of wasting scarce resources chasing idealogical dreams.
If that's the case, Eddie (and I'm sure there's some truth to it) then no amount of encouragement or positive recruitment (or whatever else you want to call it) will alter that. The authorities should realise it, accept it, and get on with the job of running the services they are paid to provide instead of wasting scarce resources chasing idealogical dreams.
Svejk
/// They just had one of Corby's mates moaning on the radio,
"Every time there's a rape or a murder happens the media put pictures of black men to accompany the story. So the public associate black people with rape and murder." ///
Someone should have told that moaner that is just not true, whenever library pictures are used showing criminals they are always posed by white actors.
Some one should tell them that black actors are seeking to be more prominent in acting roles.
/// They just had one of Corby's mates moaning on the radio,
"Every time there's a rape or a murder happens the media put pictures of black men to accompany the story. So the public associate black people with rape and murder." ///
Someone should have told that moaner that is just not true, whenever library pictures are used showing criminals they are always posed by white actors.
Some one should tell them that black actors are seeking to be more prominent in acting roles.
AOG
Has your question been satisfactorily answered?
You wanted to know why the Met were aiming for 40%, when the percentage of UK citizens from ethnic minorities was only 14%.
Does it make sense than the Met (being London's police) are looking at London's ethnic mix?
I'm just trying to establish whether you wanted to discuss race in general, or whether your opening question was indeed something you wanted to have explained.
Has your question been satisfactorily answered?
You wanted to know why the Met were aiming for 40%, when the percentage of UK citizens from ethnic minorities was only 14%.
Does it make sense than the Met (being London's police) are looking at London's ethnic mix?
I'm just trying to establish whether you wanted to discuss race in general, or whether your opening question was indeed something you wanted to have explained.
Would any white corrupt police officer be given so many second chances to continue his mischief and get £80,000 payout from the MPS.
Truly an expensive exercise from the day he joined.
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My mistake.On an earlier post I said he fitted up a restauranteur when he hadn't.
He fitted up a fellow Muslim for assault when he was challenged outside his uncles West End restaurant for non payment of services rendered.
Truly an expensive exercise from the day he joined.
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My mistake.On an earlier post I said he fitted up a restauranteur when he hadn't.
He fitted up a fellow Muslim for assault when he was challenged outside his uncles West End restaurant for non payment of services rendered.
retrocop
Perhaps he was simply trying to fit in?
Also, you wrote:
"We have cases where black police officers play the race card for alledgedly being overlooked for promotion."
I assume you realise that there are cases which have merit?
Incidentally - bravo to everyone on this thread who believes they are in a strong position to tell others what black people think.
I find you as enlightening.
Perhaps he was simply trying to fit in?
Also, you wrote:
"We have cases where black police officers play the race card for alledgedly being overlooked for promotion."
I assume you realise that there are cases which have merit?
Incidentally - bravo to everyone on this thread who believes they are in a strong position to tell others what black people think.
I find you as enlightening.
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