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When Are The Italians Going To Say "enough Is Enough"?
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They should be rescued from their flimsy unseaworthy vessels and transported back to Africa.
They should be rescued from their flimsy unseaworthy vessels and transported back to Africa.
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I would rescue the people but I'd scuttle the boat, to discourage the boat owners.
Sending them back won't discourage tge triers but they will have to spend some months in north Africa, earning another few thousand or whatever the boat owners are charging. Meanwhile, more will arrive at the boat so competition to get on board will drive prices out of reach. (or boat owners get themselves lynched for asking too much).
Having said that, remember that these are acquisitive fellow capitalists who you want to see sent back. If they are willing to work hard for what they want out of life, shouldn't you value their lives higher than the feckless claimants of the world?
Sending them back won't discourage tge triers but they will have to spend some months in north Africa, earning another few thousand or whatever the boat owners are charging. Meanwhile, more will arrive at the boat so competition to get on board will drive prices out of reach. (or boat owners get themselves lynched for asking too much).
Having said that, remember that these are acquisitive fellow capitalists who you want to see sent back. If they are willing to work hard for what they want out of life, shouldn't you value their lives higher than the feckless claimants of the world?
A-H
I know it is a humungus long article that Tonyav has supplied but it is worth reading in full.You will note that many making the crossing are from places such as Senegal which is a very low crisis torn country that doesn't rate high on the Asylum list.When interviewed the Italian woman who processes the asylum seekers stated that many had arrived to find work in Italy and an economic better life.When told they cannot claim asylum just on the desire to work in another country they ask her "to make up a story for them".Obviously a lady of integrity but says there are plenty of Italian lawyers will provide a jackanory for a fee.
In the years she has been seeing and interviewing these illegal immigrants she said she has changed from being over sympathetic to being more objective with how she handles them. I think she is saying,in a polite way,she isn't swallowing the lying bull she is continually being handed them.It would appear that many are economic immigrants.
comes into the Asylum list
I know it is a humungus long article that Tonyav has supplied but it is worth reading in full.You will note that many making the crossing are from places such as Senegal which is a very low crisis torn country that doesn't rate high on the Asylum list.When interviewed the Italian woman who processes the asylum seekers stated that many had arrived to find work in Italy and an economic better life.When told they cannot claim asylum just on the desire to work in another country they ask her "to make up a story for them".Obviously a lady of integrity but says there are plenty of Italian lawyers will provide a jackanory for a fee.
In the years she has been seeing and interviewing these illegal immigrants she said she has changed from being over sympathetic to being more objective with how she handles them. I think she is saying,in a polite way,she isn't swallowing the lying bull she is continually being handed them.It would appear that many are economic immigrants.
comes into the Asylum list
Hypognosis
/// Sending them back won't discourage tge triers but they will have to spend some months in north Africa, earning another few thousand or whatever the boat owners are charging. ///
If they can make a few thousand as easily and quickly as that why would they want to come here to work for peanuts?
/// Meanwhile, more will arrive at the boat so competition to get on board will drive prices out of reach. (or boat owners get themselves lynched for asking too much). ///
In that case they won't be able to afford to take the journey, that ahas got to be good.
/// Having said that, remember that these are acquisitive fellow capitalists who you want to see sent back. If they are willing to work hard for what they want out of life, shouldn't you value their lives higher than the feckless claimants of the world? ///
It is not a matter of valuing lives, economic refugees or feckless claimants, and who's to say that any of these 'boat people' are prepared to work hard?
/// Sending them back won't discourage tge triers but they will have to spend some months in north Africa, earning another few thousand or whatever the boat owners are charging. ///
If they can make a few thousand as easily and quickly as that why would they want to come here to work for peanuts?
/// Meanwhile, more will arrive at the boat so competition to get on board will drive prices out of reach. (or boat owners get themselves lynched for asking too much). ///
In that case they won't be able to afford to take the journey, that ahas got to be good.
/// Having said that, remember that these are acquisitive fellow capitalists who you want to see sent back. If they are willing to work hard for what they want out of life, shouldn't you value their lives higher than the feckless claimants of the world? ///
It is not a matter of valuing lives, economic refugees or feckless claimants, and who's to say that any of these 'boat people' are prepared to work hard?
ummmm, //But how poor would you have to be to risk your life in the hope having a better one? //
Many of these people are poorer than westerners who haven't been to the places they're coming from can imagine, but I think a lot of them are under the impression that in Europe the streets are paved with gold.
Many of these people are poorer than westerners who haven't been to the places they're coming from can imagine, but I think a lot of them are under the impression that in Europe the streets are paved with gold.
@AOG
//If they can make a few thousand as easily and quickly as that why would they want to come here to work for peanuts? //
Okay, so call that lack of research, on my part. The BBC report, a few minutes ago, was saying how they are "spending their life savings" on making these journeys (to people smugglers en route, as well as the boat owners). Whether that is BBC spin or whether it is the kind of sob story migrants use, to make us feel sorry for them, I cannot tell.
So, in all honesty, I have no idea how many years they would have to work in Libya to pay for a second trip. But I do wonder what Libya would do to them if they have attitudes to outsiders anything like ours (by ours, I mean the views expressed so often on AB, not the views of the country as a whole).
See hiw carefully I am having to pick my words (and meanings)?
//If they can make a few thousand as easily and quickly as that why would they want to come here to work for peanuts? //
Okay, so call that lack of research, on my part. The BBC report, a few minutes ago, was saying how they are "spending their life savings" on making these journeys (to people smugglers en route, as well as the boat owners). Whether that is BBC spin or whether it is the kind of sob story migrants use, to make us feel sorry for them, I cannot tell.
So, in all honesty, I have no idea how many years they would have to work in Libya to pay for a second trip. But I do wonder what Libya would do to them if they have attitudes to outsiders anything like ours (by ours, I mean the views expressed so often on AB, not the views of the country as a whole).
See hiw carefully I am having to pick my words (and meanings)?
ummm
A great deal of compassion at a great deal of expense has been afforded by the Italians to the genuine asylum seekers.Who would argue that? That is why they have the overwhelming dilemma of sifting out the genuine from the bogus.A dilemma that this country has shown great ineptness in handling.Did you know that Kent police, when rounding up illegal immigrants who were found wandering on the hard shoulder of the M20 having jumped from a lorry from France ,were told to escort them off the motorway and give them the address of Lunar House, Croydon where they could make their own way and apply for asylum.No wonder we do not know how many are working in the black economy here for peanuts.
A great deal of compassion at a great deal of expense has been afforded by the Italians to the genuine asylum seekers.Who would argue that? That is why they have the overwhelming dilemma of sifting out the genuine from the bogus.A dilemma that this country has shown great ineptness in handling.Did you know that Kent police, when rounding up illegal immigrants who were found wandering on the hard shoulder of the M20 having jumped from a lorry from France ,were told to escort them off the motorway and give them the address of Lunar House, Croydon where they could make their own way and apply for asylum.No wonder we do not know how many are working in the black economy here for peanuts.
Oh we do.Then they will suddenly decide they are homosexual or something and will be persecuted if returned so the process begins again.
More to the point. If they have jumped on to the lorries axles in Calais why are we not redirecting them back to France as this is not the first European country they have entered from N.Africa or wherever to claim asylum there.
Do not forget those sent to seek asylum don't often arrive at Lunar House and working in the black economy is not an economic benefit for the UK.No tax paid on the peanuts they earn etc.
More to the point. If they have jumped on to the lorries axles in Calais why are we not redirecting them back to France as this is not the first European country they have entered from N.Africa or wherever to claim asylum there.
Do not forget those sent to seek asylum don't often arrive at Lunar House and working in the black economy is not an economic benefit for the UK.No tax paid on the peanuts they earn etc.
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It's a problem that will never go away. As long as N.Africa is a festering hellhole economically and/or politically, people will always be trying to get out of there.
There are only two options, accept it and carry on as at present, or adopt some kind of ruthless policy of towing all the boats back or letting them drown. I can't see that happening.
Maybe Italy should think about abandoning Lampedusa.
There are only two options, accept it and carry on as at present, or adopt some kind of ruthless policy of towing all the boats back or letting them drown. I can't see that happening.
Maybe Italy should think about abandoning Lampedusa.
ludwig
I know the Italians have a reputation for capitulation but why should they abandon Lampedusa? They will just have to get a bit tougher. Is Malta expected to capitulate as well.They get a good deal of boats landing on their shores.They are in the middle of the economic boat season route and have had to set up a few detention centres as well.
I know the Italians have a reputation for capitulation but why should they abandon Lampedusa? They will just have to get a bit tougher. Is Malta expected to capitulate as well.They get a good deal of boats landing on their shores.They are in the middle of the economic boat season route and have had to set up a few detention centres as well.
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