Who Still Thinks That The Uk Is Not Overcrowded?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/590397/Population-overload-Britain-houses-one-in-eight-ALL-EU-residents

/// Despite its tiny size, Britain now has the third largest population in Europe behind Germany and France, the European Commission statistics show. And it is more densely populated than both. ///

[Zacs-Master]

I've no idea what he's telling us Corby. I'm not sure he knows himself.

[DTCwordfan]

He's possibly thinking of becoming a Dalek, "Extermination, Extermination."

[THECORBYLOON]

I think his question has joined the other regulars about the MOBOs and Notting Hill carnival...

[Gromit]

The UK is a combination of urban and rural populations.

Islington 13,886 people per square Km.
Ryedale, Yorkshire, 34 people per square Km.

So there are some places with a lot of people in them. And thete are other places with very few people in them. But overall there is not a overcrowding problem.

[DTCwordfan]

MOBO?

[Gromit]

And if we are comparing EU countries, try Malta with over 4,000 people per square mile.

[retrocop]

There was a man bewailing the loss of his allotment on London ITV news last night. Boris needs to develop on brown site land in London to accomodate the extra population
Be nice to see the smug grins of the NIMBYS if say it was decided to drain a few Lochs and build New Towns the size of Manchester in the Glens of Scotland. You could rejoice in the extra employment and diversity it would bring you and release the burden on other English Cities.With all that extra employment in Scotland you would create new found wealth and actually be able to financially stand on your own two feet. Good luck on the next referendum.

[stuey]

Sometimes, and this is one of them, statistics are absolutely nonsensically meaningless when it comes to measuring reality. For example, Canada apparently has a population density of around 8 per square mile. However, when I look over the city on a clear day, I can see a lot more that that.

[Gromit]

Stuey,
Are you claiming Canada is overcrowded due to immigration?

[New Judge]

Whether or not the UK is "overcrowded" when measured by numbers per square mile, or by the relevant density in cities and the countryside, that is not the issue. There is a desperate shortage of housing. Last year I believe around 130,000 new homes were built. It is estimated that at least twice that number are needed. As well as that, health services in many areas are under immense strain. School places are unavailable in many areas forcing parents to send their children to schools some distance away. Transport infrastructure is running at full capacity and the slightest incident causes instant mayhem. These are the problems facing the country.

It’s no use saying that because Ryedale in Yorkshire accommodates only 34 people per sq km that we have plenty of room. Newcomers are not going to settle in Ryedale because (a) they don’t want to and (b) there’s no accommodation for them even if they did.

Last year over 600,000 people arrived to settle here. The calls for “affordable” housing are misplaced Even the name is misleading because why on earth would any developer want to build unaffordable housing. What is really meant by that term is taxpayer funded housing and there is no earthly reason why taxpayers (many of them struggling to afford their rent or mortgage repayments themselves) should be forced to pay for housing so that people already here can have excessive numbers of children or so that people who fancy their chances of a better life here can be accommodated.

The country does not have too few houses, it has too many people. The UK needs to learn to cope with fewer people and it can do that by discouraging people already here from having excessive numbers of children (by not paying them to do so) and by restricting the numbers of people allowed to settle here.

[stuey]

No, Gromit. It's hardly overcrowded because of any reason. I'm just trying to illustrate that statistics are very often absolutely meaningless when it comes to interpreting the "real world".

[DTCwordfan]

NJ, don't know about where you live, but here in Truro and environs there's loads of properties in the centre of towns that could be converted, utilised and used to regenerate townships, assuming a younger population take-up. Manchester and Liverpool have two of the best programmes for this form of regeneration and it should be more actively encouraged, rather than eating up land with new-builds.

Some of the build is totally speculative....here in Truro, we have some 1500 new homes going up around the city on a population of 26,000.....(8000 homes). Could someone tell me where are all the new jobs involved to support this?

[douglas9401]

The building industry?

[retrocop]

No we are not overcrowded. Well not in the middle of the Dales or Moors.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2884271/The-queue-shames-Britain-7-11am-desperate-patients-wait-cold-dark-outside-surgery-just-seen-GP.html
Kind of illustrates NJ's point about overloaded infrastructure and facilities.

[Gromit]

There are enough houses already New Judge. It is just that the wrong people are living in them. The older generation are healthier and do not downsize. So couples in their 70s and 80s are hogging four bedroom houses. Which means there are shortages of those properties and every scrap of land is being built upon.

There are more than 25 million empty bedrooms. Get the right people into those and the housing problem is solved.

http://www.if.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/IF_housingrel_defin_LE2.pdf

[Gromit]

Retrocop,

GP provision is a privatised industry. If there are not enough GPs in a catchment area, there is a business opportunity for someone. If mo one takes up that business opportunity, it is not the fault of the people who live there.

[retrocop]

So if my wife and I reach our 70's/80's you feel we should be obliged to surrender our hard earned property to accommodate a large family of immigrants,say,who probably ARE the wrong people living here and we downsize to some pokey 1 bedroomed flat.
The thinking of a true socialist.

[Zacs-Master]

Retro: just how would building a city the size of Manchester in the highlands of Scotland boost employment?

[douglas9401]

A true socialist or a bedroom taxist, retrocop. Which will it be?

[retrocop]

Gromit
If you read the story you will notice that long term residents have said this surgery is unable to cope ,even though hiring extra doctors, because of all the extra housing recently built in the surrounding area. If extra houses need to be built it would suggest to me that there are too many extra people which is overcrowding in my view.