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Who Still Thinks That The Uk Is Not Overcrowded?

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anotheoldgit | 12:15 Sat 11th Jul 2015 | News
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http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/590397/Population-overload-Britain-houses-one-in-eight-ALL-EU-residents

/// Despite its tiny size, Britain now has the third largest population in Europe behind Germany and France, the European Commission statistics show. And it is more densely populated than both. ///
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“…take or use most or all of (something) in an unfair or selfish way.” Please explain, Gromit, what is selfish or unfair about wanting to remain in a home which you have bought, may possibly have raised a family in, have adapted to your tastes and requirements and which you may like to living in. Unless, of course, you believe that all housing stock should...
16:41 Sun 12th Jul 2015
So there's 'room' for another GP practise then?
Zacs
I realised after posting that I omitted to write "and a few large industrial complexes as well" as the New Towns. That's you're extra employment.
Why do folk seem to think the place isn't overcrowded because we have countryside and downs and moors and suchlike ? A country needs open spaces for nature, other species, or is the idea to cover the whole country with umpteen stories of building ?

It is overcrowded and has got markedly worse over my lifetime. The lack of resources is testament to that. Even if it is a good excuse to scapegoat those who merely live as they wish, for the problem, instead of admitting the real issue. I'm not even sure we could even be self sufficient any more, which if it is the case means we rely on the rest of the world to cope with the population we already have, let alone contemplate carrying on increasing further.

I don't understand why folk deny this. It is a big issue for this island and it is also a big issue for the world in general. And we are leaving our grandchildren and great-grandchildren to cope with it when it has become an intolerable extreme. I'm sure they will thank us profusely.
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Zacs @1348
Apparently not as they haven't built one or cannot find enough doctors to deal with the EXTRA workload.
Retro; this is the real world not SimCity. You're 'argument ' makes no economic sense.
Retro, who are 'they'? (GP surgery)
Retro,
Because you are healthier in your 80s than your predecessors, you will keep your multi-bedroom house. Which effectively means that house is not available for a family. So one has to be built somewhere. Immigration is obviously one factor in the housing shortage, but not the only factor. People living longer, keeping oversized houses and there are more of them (the baby boom generation are now retirees) puts a greater strain on infra-structure than immigration.
//While we are at it, we could run an eye over their bank accounts. If they have more money than they really need, that could also be redistributed to the needy. //

from each according to his ability, to each according to his need. if jeremy corbyn becomes prime minister, it will come to pass.
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I know. It makes no economic sense to import extra useless bodies and have to build to accommodate them either.
If Corbyn wins as party leader he'll guarantee that Labour never win another election. He's a political dinosaur.
Retro, I never said it did make sense but that's nothing to do with the OP's OP.
Gromit @ 1353
So if my house on the outskirts of London was 4 bedroomed, which we struggled to buy as a young couple over a few years, we would surrender it to a young single mum with 8 children with a big smile on our faces.
Meanwhile. My two sons waiting in the wings with their children can just about to afford a rented property in London,are in full employment and never claimed a benefit in their lives. My house is my investment for their future. Not to accommodate the work shy or other useless people with a mis- placed sense of entitlement.
"The older generation are healthier and do not downsize. So couples in their 70s and 80s are hogging four bedroom houses."

As has been said, why on earth should they if they are happy where they are. Why should someone of 60 or 70 go through the hassle and trauma of moving from a home which they own, where they have brought up their family and where they are prefectly content? They did not ask the government to sign up to a free movement policy which allos potentially 500m Europeans to settle here. They did not introduce policies which make the UK a magnet for all the waifs and strays from across the globe.

I have two spare bedrooms (three if you count the room where I have my model railway). I accommodate friends and family when they want to stay. I have absolutely no intention of moving so that a family with five or six children can move in and trash the place that I have spent most of my working life developing to my requirements whilst I am shuffled off to some poxey little box with no room to swing a cat.

It's absolutely outrageous to suggest older people should do this to accommodate an ever increasing population. The country needs fewer people not more and the sooner this is realised the better it will be for all concerned.
I agree NJ. Ridiculous argument.
Retro,
Just checked out the Sunbury Health Centre in the article and they need to have more GPs. They have 12 serving 1,600 patients each = 19,200. However that assumes they all work all of the time. When you consider holidays and sickness, they probably need at least two more GPs.

Apparently, since the GPs negociated new contracts in 2004, the number of GOs setting up their own Practice has plummeted. They are earning such good wages salaried, that there is no incentive to go it alone.
I have not said older people SHOULD downsize. I said the fact that they don't is contributing to the housing shortage. 25 million empty bedrooms is a lot of space being wasted.
Retro, you've stated 'People living longer, keeping oversized houses and there are more of them [] puts a greater strain on infra-structure than immigration.

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couples in their 70s and 80s are hogging four bedroom houses.

Both of which strongly suggest you're of the opinion that the elderly should downgrade.
Gromit, I've noticed that you've mentioned "empty bedrooms" more than once. A house does not just consist of bedrooms. The problem appears to be a lack of houses, not just bedrooms. Anyway as NJ, and others, have said, you've just got too many immigrunts.
Sorry 'Gromit' not Retro.

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