Little Boy Washed Up Dead On Turkish Beach

[mikey4444]

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/refugee-crisis-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-turkey-trying-to-reach-canada#img-1

This is a heart-breaking picture. What do our "righties" think ? Should we help these people or not ? This refugee crisis is now being talked about as the worst in Europe since WW2.

The full story is here ::

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/03/refugee-crisis-syrian-boy-washed-up-on-beach-turkey-trying-to-reach-canada

Just in case anyone thinks this is the Guardian making its usual fuss, this is the Independent today :::

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/if-these-extraordinarily-powerful-images-of-a-dead-syrian-child-washed-up-on-a-beach-dont-change-europes-attitude-to-refugees-what-will-10482757.html

[tamborine]

Donating here would help

http://m.redcross.org.uk/

[mikey4444]

Retro...we have plenty of space to build new, affordable homes, but that is perhaps better left for another day and another debate.

But we used to have a large stock of affordable homes for rent, but we know what happened to those !

[B00]

"Retro...we have plenty of space to build new, affordable homes,"

No, sorry, I or one would be unhappy with seeing more of our green belt swallowed up by housing.

[retrocop]

Mikey
We have plenty of space to build temporary comfortable internment camps on the moors.
Would that be so outrageous as long as they were warm,fed and their health needs attended to?
I think not. That is not the Eldorado they seek but it would be safe!!

[naomi24]

Mikey, //Naomi...you expressed more sorrow for those buildings than you ever had for the people.//

For people genuinely fleeing war, I have sympathy – and make no mistake I’ve seen some of the most appalling refugee camps. However, I don’t have sympathy for the thousands of economic migrants flooding into Europe on these boats – you know, those you lump in with all the rest as ‘fleeing for their lives’. They are not.

[Slapshot]

Yeah it's sad, yeah it's tragic, so are the pensioners in our own country who die every year because they can't afford to heat their homes, or the hundreds of thousands who live below the poverty line or use foodbanks to survive....... and don't just blame the Tories for it, B Liar, Brown and the last brand of Lefties were as much to blame for the state of the country as the tories. As an example my income as a civil servant has fallen around 25% behind the increases in inflation over the last 15 years of so, 17% of that was the lefties....
The Shengen Agreement destroyed any hope Europe had of controlling immigration, it's now a tragedy because it's completely out of control and we can do nothing about it, these things are always sad and tragic.....the next ones will be as well...

[naomi24]

Mikey, //we have plenty of space to build new, affordable homes//

It’s not just housing. What about health care, education, jobs? If these people are allowed to come here they're going to need rather more than your sympathy.

[ummmm]

And how long would it take to build all this new housing not forgetting the British already on the housing list and have been for years?

[Ric.ror]

tamborine
Donating here would help

Well according to the link posted the other day - sorry I have forgotten who by - donating there will NOT help

[Ric.ror]

we have plenty of space to build new, affordable homes

Yes and the arab states have plenty of money and land - they have built cities in the sea (Dubai). I am sure they could build cities in the desert but they choose not to.

[Old_Geezer]

Use of this is an appeal to the emotive which need not lead to correct decisions. Many boats have overturned and sunk, many drowned as a result. That some bodies get washed up on a nearby shore is surely inevitable. It doesn't alter the options or which is best.

Of course suffering humanity should be helped, it is a moral issue, but that does not necessarily mean taking folk into out own country which is already crowded and has cultural tensions. The rules agreed are fairly clear, refugees go to the nearest safe country who has an obligation to help. Other countries may opt to help in other ways if they wish. The best way to help would be to quell the troubles in the country the refugees are fleeing from, by whatever means is best/most affective.

[tamborine]

Ricror, heres a better link for ALL sympathisers

http://m.redcross.org.uk/Donate-Now/Make-a-single-donation/Syria?gclid=COqS7sPc2scCFUrpwgod5GIJcA

[whiskeryron]

A lot of the problems stem from the EU destroying all borders. Stuff the EU let all European countries have their border controls back then assess how many immigrants they have already taken in & decide how many more they have room for then close their borders. Negotiate with all Arab countries in order to spread the burden more fairly. Try to get together a world army ( I wish) in order to destroy isis & all other terrorist groups which could lead to peace throughout the world which at the moment is being destroyed by armed sadists & followers of twisted ideologies.

[tamborine]

Migrants have paid thousands to flee. No doubt lining ISIS purses for arms.

[Ric.ror]

Last night channel 4 news featured a young couple who had given up a room to two young men from Syria - and she was expecting.
They had no language in common so used mobile phones to communicate

[Ric.ror]

Perhaps those against allowing more in might not feel the same way if we had not had such a large sudden influx from other EU countries.
I don't know I'm just surmising

[whiskeryron]

I have heard of Smart Phones but they must be using something very special

[youngmafbog]

There is absolutley no reason to do anything different just because of this picture. Kids are dying all over the world that could be saved.

Allowing people in will simply increase the problem and more will die.

Many of these are refugees and economic migrants. Many are in a safe country now so why are they not happy?

They are simply trying to by pass the rules. Route out the genuine asylum seekers an send the rest back.