An End To Bias For 'white-Sounding' Staff, Really?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/11953841/Big-employers-agree-to-hide-names-on-graduate-job-applications-to-end-discrimination.html

[naomi24]

Mikey, You asked AOG if he was seriously suggesting that the issue of black employers discriminating against white candidates is as bad as white employers discriminating against black and other non-white ethnic candidates, which implies that you feel that discrimination against white people is a lesser ‘crime’. The point I was making is that it isn’t. Rules against discrimination have to work for all.

[Baldric]

I also agree, it doesn't matter who discriminates against who, it's wrong!

[mikey4444]

Pivie...of course they shouldn't be discrimination either way.....nobody on here is suggesting that there should, and these changes to recruitment will go a long way to mitigate discrimination in the future.

[naomi24]

Mikey, but you clearly think discrimination against whites is not as bad as discrimination against blacks. Can you explain why you think that please?

[Mamyalynne]

I may be wrong here but I read 'not as bad as' to mean - 'not as prevalent'?

An issue of wording?

[mikey4444]

Naomi...we may be at odds here by mistake.

My original comments at 17:02 was not to suggest that discrimination wasn't as "bad" if it emanates from non-white employers, against white candidates ...perhaps I should have said "as widespread" I have grave doubts that if this type of discrimination does exist, it cannot be as widespread as the opposite type.

Of course discrimination is to be deplored whenever it occurs and from wherever it emanates.

[mikey4444]

Mamy...yes...that is what I meant....an issue of wording indeed !

[Baldric]

///these changes to recruitment will go a long way to mitigate discrimination in the future.///

In case you missed it Mikey, I'll put it in again

\\\No, they won't, the minute they walk in the door for the interview if they are not what the interviewer wanted/expected we are back to square one!\\\

[naomi24]

Mikey, that won't do. You doubt that it even exists - and you're still saying it - but I can assure you it does.

[-Talbot-]

mikey4444
I have grave doubts that if this type of discrimination does exist,



of course it exists!

[mikey4444]

Balders....but this change will ensure that the candidate gets an interview at least, instead of being discarded in the early stages for racist reasons. So it has to be a move in the right direction surely ?

After al,l dave is the one who is campaigning on this issue ...quote from the Telegraph link :::

"During the keynote address in Manchester he said: "Do you know that in our country today, even if they have exactly the same qualifications, people with white-sounding names are nearly twice as likely to get callbacks for jobs than people with ethnic-sounding names?

"One young black girl had to change her name to Elizabeth before she got any calls to interviews. That, in 21st-century Britain, is disgraceful."

I am in complete agreement with dave here !

[Mamyalynne]

As long as the interview procedures are done by people you will never fully eradicate discrimination on whatever grounds.

A sad truth I fear.

[Baldric]

///So it has to be a move in the right direction surely ?///

No, it just changes the point at which discrimination kicks in!

[mikey4444]

Naomi and Talbot...I am sure we would all like some proof that there is discrimination by non-white employers against white candidates exists !

Lay it before us and we can make our minds up !

But, to repeat myself for the last time....if it does exist, then these new changes will work in the same way as it will against the opposite type of discrimination !

[Mamyalynne]

So - shrug shoulders, sigh and do nothing?

Education and awareness must keep the pressure on to stem this but anything that helps in the interim is good.

[-Talbot-]

This may get removed but I can't help but think you are very naive and a bit daft to think that whites are never discriminated against.

[mikey4444]

Talbot...I don't object to your remarks, but my challenge still stands....show us some examples of what you are talking about.

[pixie374]

I know it does. I don't have a link,but I've seen it myself. Even my daughter's boyfriend, who is black, is convinced he gets more.interviews, because "they are scared not to".

[-Talbot-]

I would need to take you to the two Asian restruants that I have used for more than 20 years...neither have ever had a white employee.

Why is that?

[naomi24]

//"Over the three years before the last election, Labour increased ethnic minority civil service representation by 11%//

Mikey, how do you think they did that?

http://www.theguardian.com/public-leaders-network/2014/apr/30/all-black-shortlist-civil-service-labour-ethnic-minority