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No More Bobbies On The Beat, Under The Party Of Law And Order ?
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"The comments have been made by the chairwoman of the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), Sara Thornton, and Craig Mackey, the deputy commissioner of the Met Police"
After over 5 years of dave in Number Ten and Osborne in Number 11, it seems that 25% to 40% of cuts in the imminent spending review.
We know that people like to see Police on the beat, so will we all be happy when the Police have these drastic cuts applied to their budgets ?
"The comments have been made by the chairwoman of the National Police Chiefs' Council (NPCC), Sara Thornton, and Craig Mackey, the deputy commissioner of the Met Police"
After over 5 years of dave in Number Ten and Osborne in Number 11, it seems that 25% to 40% of cuts in the imminent spending review.
We know that people like to see Police on the beat, so will we all be happy when the Police have these drastic cuts applied to their budgets ?
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What I find amazing on this thread is how few of our resident right-wingers are prepared to condemn these possible 40% cuts to the Police.
I am especially surprised at Retrocop, who I would have thought would have been appalled at these future cuts !
If I say that we have had a Tory Government since 2010, I will get into trouble with the pedantic brigade, so I will just say instead that we have had the same PM and Chancellor for over 5 years, both Tory. And yet even after such a long time, thy are still prepared to make huge cuts, in areas of public expenditure that we could always rely on the Tories not to cut.
So I suggest that the Tory Party can no longer be called the Party of Law and Order.
Discuss !
I am especially surprised at Retrocop, who I would have thought would have been appalled at these future cuts !
If I say that we have had a Tory Government since 2010, I will get into trouble with the pedantic brigade, so I will just say instead that we have had the same PM and Chancellor for over 5 years, both Tory. And yet even after such a long time, thy are still prepared to make huge cuts, in areas of public expenditure that we could always rely on the Tories not to cut.
So I suggest that the Tory Party can no longer be called the Party of Law and Order.
Discuss !
Retro,
It was you brought up the Blair Peach incident first at 10:30. Before that, no one had mentioned him or Duggen or anyone.
// They were used at a demo in West London when a left wing agitator died. It was believed that it was a police truncheon blow to the head and maybe a SPG officer wielded it. //
It was you brought up the Blair Peach incident first at 10:30. Before that, no one had mentioned him or Duggen or anyone.
// They were used at a demo in West London when a left wing agitator died. It was believed that it was a police truncheon blow to the head and maybe a SPG officer wielded it. //
Gromit
Get your facts right. Where did I mention Peach first. You mentioned the name. I mentioned an incident where "a person died" Yes? You asked why I bought the subject up about the SPG when the concerns were about police cuts and beat officers.
I qualified that point that the police provided a cost effective crime fighting unit that was better than one beat officer on one beat. It was disbanded at the demands of the left over this one incident.
Cuts can be achieved and efficiency in crime prevention can also be achieved but not on the terms of the loony left.
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Get your facts right. Where did I mention Peach first. You mentioned the name. I mentioned an incident where "a person died" Yes? You asked why I bought the subject up about the SPG when the concerns were about police cuts and beat officers.
I qualified that point that the police provided a cost effective crime fighting unit that was better than one beat officer on one beat. It was disbanded at the demands of the left over this one incident.
Cuts can be achieved and efficiency in crime prevention can also be achieved but not on the terms of the loony left.
o
what is wrong with the concept of a virtual police station in this day and age? Change management is about challenging our set ways from time to time and this may be apropos today.
I also would challenge why do we in the SW need Cornwall & Devon, Somerset, Dorset (just been assassinated for under-performance), Wiltshire and Avon - 5 Chief Cons, 5 finance officers and teams, 5 PR teams, 5 HR Managers and teams, countless forensics and other back-office etc - and we are still far smaller than Manchester of Birmingham.....
That's where the savings lay to help keeping the thin blue line.
I also would challenge why do we in the SW need Cornwall & Devon, Somerset, Dorset (just been assassinated for under-performance), Wiltshire and Avon - 5 Chief Cons, 5 finance officers and teams, 5 PR teams, 5 HR Managers and teams, countless forensics and other back-office etc - and we are still far smaller than Manchester of Birmingham.....
That's where the savings lay to help keeping the thin blue line.
Reminds me of a story circulated around police circles in the lower ranks not long after the Brixton riots,
An old,soon to be retired Home Beat Officer,attended his Annual Qualification Report in front of his Divisional Police Superintendent. The Division covered Lambeth,Stockwell,Brixton and Kennington.
He was asked, "How do you think you could reduce crime on your patch?"
by the Senior Officer. The old beat constable replied, "I believe carpet bombing it would be a viable proposition"!
The officer became a hero when word got about whether true or not. Sums up the faith and the support the police would like to expect but do not get.
I did 30 years as a public servant. My wife is in her 40th year as a SRN and still working.
When my wife worked in the outpatients clinic of the large University Teaching Hospital she still works at she never got the smell of fresh paint out of her nose.
Every year there was an annual budget allocation. Out patients had a surplus of £40,000 from last year. If they gave it to a cardio dept that needed a new scanner the OPD would have their budget cut for the next financial year so they got the dept painted again. Chronic and Criminal waste of much needed finances. No need to keep throwing extra money at the NHS or Police Service. Just get rid of the government appointed bean counters and quangos in both services and let those who know how to apply a poultice and have hands on experience of Nursing and Policing run the Service. No Crime Commissioners and no civilian Hospital Managers who take several of their staff on jollys to a conference in the USA that was totally wasteful of financial resources.
Don't be surprised at my attitude Mikey. My wife and I have worked as public servants and see the wasteage all the time.
An old,soon to be retired Home Beat Officer,attended his Annual Qualification Report in front of his Divisional Police Superintendent. The Division covered Lambeth,Stockwell,Brixton and Kennington.
He was asked, "How do you think you could reduce crime on your patch?"
by the Senior Officer. The old beat constable replied, "I believe carpet bombing it would be a viable proposition"!
The officer became a hero when word got about whether true or not. Sums up the faith and the support the police would like to expect but do not get.
I did 30 years as a public servant. My wife is in her 40th year as a SRN and still working.
When my wife worked in the outpatients clinic of the large University Teaching Hospital she still works at she never got the smell of fresh paint out of her nose.
Every year there was an annual budget allocation. Out patients had a surplus of £40,000 from last year. If they gave it to a cardio dept that needed a new scanner the OPD would have their budget cut for the next financial year so they got the dept painted again. Chronic and Criminal waste of much needed finances. No need to keep throwing extra money at the NHS or Police Service. Just get rid of the government appointed bean counters and quangos in both services and let those who know how to apply a poultice and have hands on experience of Nursing and Policing run the Service. No Crime Commissioners and no civilian Hospital Managers who take several of their staff on jollys to a conference in the USA that was totally wasteful of financial resources.
Don't be surprised at my attitude Mikey. My wife and I have worked as public servants and see the wasteage all the time.
ditto the NHS and I suspect that the police are a little more efficient with their in-house computer systems as well..... for example, Vision Express do not easily communicate with the GPs as to what they see to macular degeneration caused by a host of diseases, the GPs don't automatically communicate with the specialist units and those teams certainly do not communicate with anaesthetics.....ridiculous and expensive that this is - and not patient or even front-line GP focused.
retro, the one I liked was during the Brixton drug riots when a young pc, after ten hours on the front, lost it. He ran down Railton Road in a blind panic, turned left, then right, left again and so on.
Eventually, an arm grabbed him. "Where do you think you are going, Sonny?"
"Sorry, Sarge, I just lost it and needed to get away for a wee break and then I'll be alright."
"I'm not a Sergeant, I'm a Chief Inspector."
"Sorry, Sir, I didn't realise that I have come this far."
Eventually, an arm grabbed him. "Where do you think you are going, Sonny?"
"Sorry, Sarge, I just lost it and needed to get away for a wee break and then I'll be alright."
"I'm not a Sergeant, I'm a Chief Inspector."
"Sorry, Sir, I didn't realise that I have come this far."
Trouble is that some here have no clue how these services are run.
There will be financial cut backs to the police service. So there is a big panic because certain people are afraid their own interests will be ignored.
Big is NOT always best when it comes to efficiency. That is the Labour way. Just chuck public money at organisations as long as it gives jobs for the boys.
Mikey. How important and necessary is your job for the NHS Wales? A National Health Service in dire straits run by a Labour administraion. The Welsh,apparently,come over the border to England to obtain treatment in our NHS hospitals.
All we know is that you are,basically,a freelance pollster working for NHS Wales. Is it really necesary to pay you the wages you earn plus travel expences to travel around Wales asking people their opinions on the NHS?
Forgive me if I am wrong but as I assume everybody on AB can make assumptions how Public Services operate then I can assume the same about your work without the full knowledge you do not supply.
I liken the operation of a small very effective group of men who get on and do a job of work for the common good without fuss and accountability for every step they make. The SAS. Small can be effective if there are no restraints.
You can have a million more police officers but they are no good if the public cry foul and stop their efficiency. We have Blunket's bobbys who get good pay and are mere uniform carriers. You might as well save a load of money and have cardboard cutouts on the street corners. A Labour sticking plaster solution. So called police officers with no powers to detain or arrest.
Sir Robert Peel laid out his plans back in 1829. "The primary objects of an EFFICIENT Police Force is the prevention of crime,the preservation of life and propety etc etc etc." The police force,then,was smaller but efficient not that well equipped for the day but controlled London well. It didn't have unecessary constraints put on it by politicians and Left wingers who only want a impotent polce force working under their terms and conditions.
Police Officers are peed off with most recent governments in the last 30yrs and are less than impressed with an ungrateful public they are expected to protect.
Morale Zilch. NHS Morale Not quite so zilch but getting there. That rot started more than 10 years ago should you ask. Probably when an open door policy into the UK was proclaimed.
There will be financial cut backs to the police service. So there is a big panic because certain people are afraid their own interests will be ignored.
Big is NOT always best when it comes to efficiency. That is the Labour way. Just chuck public money at organisations as long as it gives jobs for the boys.
Mikey. How important and necessary is your job for the NHS Wales? A National Health Service in dire straits run by a Labour administraion. The Welsh,apparently,come over the border to England to obtain treatment in our NHS hospitals.
All we know is that you are,basically,a freelance pollster working for NHS Wales. Is it really necesary to pay you the wages you earn plus travel expences to travel around Wales asking people their opinions on the NHS?
Forgive me if I am wrong but as I assume everybody on AB can make assumptions how Public Services operate then I can assume the same about your work without the full knowledge you do not supply.
I liken the operation of a small very effective group of men who get on and do a job of work for the common good without fuss and accountability for every step they make. The SAS. Small can be effective if there are no restraints.
You can have a million more police officers but they are no good if the public cry foul and stop their efficiency. We have Blunket's bobbys who get good pay and are mere uniform carriers. You might as well save a load of money and have cardboard cutouts on the street corners. A Labour sticking plaster solution. So called police officers with no powers to detain or arrest.
Sir Robert Peel laid out his plans back in 1829. "The primary objects of an EFFICIENT Police Force is the prevention of crime,the preservation of life and propety etc etc etc." The police force,then,was smaller but efficient not that well equipped for the day but controlled London well. It didn't have unecessary constraints put on it by politicians and Left wingers who only want a impotent polce force working under their terms and conditions.
Police Officers are peed off with most recent governments in the last 30yrs and are less than impressed with an ungrateful public they are expected to protect.
Morale Zilch. NHS Morale Not quite so zilch but getting there. That rot started more than 10 years ago should you ask. Probably when an open door policy into the UK was proclaimed.
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