Shouldn't This Peaceful Silent March Be Allowed To Take Place Without Violent Opposition?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pegida-uk-hundreds-attend-birmingham-central-mosque-opposition-tommy-robinsons-anti-islam-march-1542279

[-Talbot-]

Put simply, Andy ...sp is trying to goad me into saying something that perhaps would get my answer removed. Why has he repeatedly said I sound upset?

Point me to where I sound upset ...

[retrocop]

Svejk
Tell you one thing that came to the fore in the link you provided. I am referring to the 2006 graph with regard to terrorist activity in Europe.
Left wing total 55 Right Wing total 1
So there were the left wingers here gleefully expecting Robinson and pergida to disgrace themselves on Saturday.
Pergida Arrests O Anti Pergida 1
Could this be a start to a trend ?

[sp1814]

andy-hughes

Word Of The Day toilet paper?

Just kidding -Talbot-.

Just just agree to disagree here. I think that the EDL and BNP have a history of antisemitism. I think you don't believe that.

That's fine.

No big deal.

[agchristie]

@ Andy, I am genuinely interested to read your thoughts to my post yesterday at 15.53. Please and thanks in advance....

[-Talbot-]

I think some members of BNP and EDL will no doubt be anti-Semitic. I'm not sure it is a requirement for membership.

I also firmly believe you tried to put it across the Tommy Robinson was too ... Without any evidence.

[sp1814]

-Talbot-

Just had an idea which might make both of us happy (especially you), and call an end to this.

If I retract my earlier statement, and then followed up with a a more detailed piece about BNP antisemitism, would that be okay?

It's from a Jewish website who analysed statement from BNP leader Nick Griffin.

That should sort it out for both of us, right?

Nice compromise?

[Gromit]

Pergida UK is just a re-branding exercise by Robinson.

The NF, BNP and EDL attracted very small numbers, of a certain demographic. The Pergida movement in Europe in contrast attracted familes, women, in fairly large numbers. Robinson observed that and came away of dreaming of a similar mass movement in the UK.

Unfortunately, judging by saturday's low turnout consisting of the same supporters as the previously failed organisations, the rebranding hasn't worked.

Pergida UK could have possibly have worked, if it had someone other than Robinson and his personal baggage, as leader.

[agchristie]

> Unfortunately, judging by saturday's low turnout consisting of the same supporters as the previously failed organisations, the rebranding hasn't worked

Same supporters? You can't possibly know that!

Let's see the turnout at the next march and you never know, the sun may come out this time.

[sp1814]

Seems like a fair summary Gromit.

There definitely seems to be a disjunct between the kind of supporters Pegida attracts in Europe, and the young, male, shaven-headed demographic the UK branch seems to have acquired.

Wonder why?

[sp1814]

agchristie

Hang on.

With the current refugee crisis in Europe, the Paris attacks and Charlie Hebdo, in addition to the massive amounts of coverage on immigration in the media in general...why on earth wasn't the march huge this year???

Seriously - it should have attracted tens of thousands.

As it was, I could have just about every marcher over for a barbecue without worrying whether I'd gotten enough potato salad and hotdogs in.

[agchristie]

> and the young, male, shaven-headed demographic the UK branch seems to have acquired.

We've already had a witness state that there were plenty of males and females, young, old, black, white, ex muslims on the march.

[agchristie]

> why on earth wasn't the march huge this year???

Seriously - it should have attracted tens of thousands.

The support and strength of feeling cannot solely be judged on numbers in a march. As momentum gains and more marches occur and the message spreads more in the UK you may then have to re-evaluate your stocks of hotdogs.

[Svejk]

^That wouldn't suit sp's agenda, ag. So he won't have seen it.

[agchristie]

Svejk - I did ask SP to read Tonyav's link on pg 18 but he wasn't sure how much trust he could put in it....

[ichkeria]

As the post count reaches Fahrenheit 211 attendance levels, apologies if I missed an earlier mention of it, but the Channel Four News last night had a report on Saturday's march

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //Put simply, Andy ...sp is trying to goad me into saying something that perhaps would get my answer removed. Why has he repeatedly said I sound upset?

Point me to where I sound upset ... //

Thanks for your response.

I would not wish to get into your exchanges with sp, but I would say that one thing he and I have in common is a willingness to pursue a debate point to a satisfactory conclusion.

This does have the unfortunate by-product of annoying some AB'ers, but such is life.

Because sp and I approach debate from more or less the same perspective, and we largely agree on most things, I feel I can speak for him, as well as myself, when I say that I do not believe either of us to be 'passive aggressive'.

It is never my intention, nor I believe sp's, to deliberately provoke anyone into saying something that gets them suspended. So, hopefully we are clear moving forward.

[Svejk]

And, ichi?

[agchristie]

Yes Svejk, I was expecting more from ichi!

[sp1814]

No agchristie

That's not quite accurate.

The marcher did not say "that there were *plenty*of males and females, young, old, black, white, ex muslims on the march."

You inferred that, but that is not what he said.

Also, as I have said before, he writing on a Pegida-affiliated blog. What we really need is an objective witness, not someone who has an agenda (like me and you, and I dare say, Svejk).