Shouldn't This Peaceful Silent March Be Allowed To Take Place Without Violent Opposition?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/pegida-uk-hundreds-attend-birmingham-central-mosque-opposition-tommy-robinsons-anti-islam-march-1542279

[agchristie]

> I would say that one thing he and I have in common is a willingness to pursue a debate point to a satisfactory conclusion.

Well, I'm hoping Andy is true to his word as I have politely asked 3 times for an answer to one point...

[sp1814]

PiedPiper15

Until one side wins the argument.

However this thread has now been running about as long as Coronation Street, so the likelihood of anyone now 'winning' is pretty slim.

Except...where is Svejk with his proof that I claimed most terrorist attacks in Europe were carried out by non-Muslims?

That is an offshoot of this debate that looks to have a likely 'winner'.

[andy-hughes]

PiedPiper - //If the message is - "I am an attention-seeking racist agitator with a history of extreme right-wing affiliations, and I like standing up and telling certain sections of the community what they like to hear, and stoking up fear and anger in people ..." then I would prefer that the 'message' didn't go anywhere apart from Mr Robinson's followers - a small number though they be.

14:17 Wed 10th Feb 2016


I did not hear that in the speeches. //

Would you seriously expect to???

Do you think Ed Milliband would ever have stood up at the party conference and said "I have more chance of a night with Kylie Minogue than being Prime Minister ...", or Rupert Murdoch to have stood up at a Mirror Group shareholders' meeting and said "Not sure if you know this, but I am chiselling corrupt power-mad maniac stealing all your pension ..."

Just because someone doesn't say something in public, not only does not confirm that they don't know it as a fact, only that they have a vested interest in letting anyone else know that they know

[Khandro]

Jack; Merci!

[sp1814]

AOG

The person in tonyav's link was a marcher, not an observer (he says he was a third of the way down the march).

He also wrote:

As to the crowd well it was the same cross section of people who are worried about Islam that you may expect to find. There was black and white, men and women, a couple of people with Israeli flags and rainbow flags. It certainly was not an all white affair nor was it an all male one.

My point is this - Pegida is *overwhelmingly* supported by young white males in the UK. Sure this marcher may have seen representation from other demographics, but that doesn't necessarily mean that Pergida is as diverse as they would like us to believe.

Every set of press pictures confirms this.

The question is 'is this unique to the UK, and if so why?

[agchristie]

> Until one side wins the argument.
However this thread has now been running about as long as Coronation Street, so the likelihood of anyone now 'winning' is pretty slim.

Sp, I didn't know it was a competition. Do we have an arbiter?

[anotheoldgit]

A H

/// ." then I would prefer that the 'message' didn't go anywhere apart from Mr Robinson's followers - a small number though they be. ///

Face it, you would not prefer this message going out per-se, judging by the way you are getting rather hot under the collar over it.

[Jackdaw33]

Basically, Khandro, if a question is framed in such a way that the expected answer is No, then if the answer is Yes, then it must be Si, rather than Oui. When I was taught French it was called the 'contradictory yes'.

[sp1814]

AOG

Also, the writer of the piece in tonyav's link wrote:

//Yes there was a heavy police presence with the usual helicopters, riot suited back up and forward intelligence teams that you expect on a contentious demo, but on this occasion the police seemed to behave themselves.//

the police seemed to behave themselves.

What an odd thing to write about our fine boys and girls in blue.

It almost sounds like the writer may have some beef with the police?

[sp1814]

Piedpiper15

Nah...it's not that.

If you check back through this thread, you will find plenty of brickbats flying in both directions.

Don't worry about it - if anyone insults me, I'll either ignore it, or call them out on it.

I expect the same in return.

You have to have hide like a rhino here!

[agchristie]

> but that doesn't necessarily mean that Pergida is as diverse as they would like us to believe.

Every set of press pictures confirms this.

You are judging the support from the march. You cannot possibly know the profile of the support in general.

[sp1814]

agchristie

It ain't gonna be Miss Marples.

[andy-hughes]

PiedPiper - //Just because someone doesn't say something in public, not only does not confirm that they don't know it as a fact, only that they have a vested interest in letting anyone else know that they know

14:32 Wed 10th Feb 2016

That is a meaningless statement. I have watch twice the full speeches and agree with every word. //

It's not a meaningless statement.

The entire point I am making is that it is what people DON'T say that is important - so how on earth could you hear it in the speeches?

I refer again to Ed Milliband - do you really imagine as the election approached that he was so singularly unaware that he didn't know he stood less than no chance of being elected?

But knowing it does not mean saying it - so you never heard him say so.

That is the point I was making.

[andy-hughes]

AG - //> I would say that one thing he and I have in common is a willingness to pursue a debate point to a satisfactory conclusion.

Well, I'm hoping Andy is true to his word as I have politely asked 3 times for an answer to one point... //

Sincere apologies, I will get to it shortly - busy at work right now.

Thanks.

[Svejk]

They have to be young and strong to withstand the assaults your trot friends in the UAF, HNH, etc. usually launch on them. sp.
(still looking. ;))

[naomi24]

I don’t think the level of support for them can be gauged by the numbers attending the march. There seems to be considerable support for them on here but I doubt any of those supporters were there.