The Hooray Henries Are Back !

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-35651049

Perhaps they never went away !

Instead of facing up to the mess that the NHS is in, the Tories descend into childish schoolboy behaviour. Yah-boo politics, at its worst.

On the eve of yet another strike by Doctors, shouldn't the PM and his party at least try to act as adults ?

[Zacs-Master]

The one where the junior doctors who are striking are still going through their training, they've done their degrees but they are now doing their practical. That planet. If you're unaware of that small,fact, I'd withdraw from the debate Of I were you.

[naomi24]

Mikey, your 'best answer' award would suggest that you have mellowed somewhat since you posted the question. How nice. :o)

[ToraToraTora]

well perhaps we should have a general election mikey and let the people decide......hang on!

[ToraToraTora]

I see the treacherous ickeria misses no opportunity to denigrate Her Majesty.

[Togo]

I was going to mention the shocking state of the N.H.S. in Wales, where the trusts and hospital management regimes are dominated by our leftie screamers, who, whilst following what looks like a deliberate destroy the NHS policy, scream wicked Tories we need more money. Wrong they need less monkeys.

[Togo]

//ichkeria Apart from anything else, Corbyn started tarting himself up and singing God save the tart some time ago.//
Obviously uncomfortable with the British centuries old monarchy. Other systems are available, some travel involved, bye.

[mrblear]

Z-M said that 'junior doctors' are still doing their practical. 'Junior doctors' is a slightly misleading term and refers to qualified doctors below the rank of consultant or those training to be a GP.

[TWR]

And to think these clowns are running the Country.

[Zacs-Master]

Mrblear, they are doctors in training. Lots of exams to take before they make it to consultant or GP stage. Hope that's now clear.

[TWR]

In view of the Crisis in the NHS in England Mikey, I think the Wales / Scotland NHS Staff should back England up with this, can you remember the split between the Yorkshire / Nottingham miners strike? Thatcher said she would look after the Nottingham miners, she did, they soon went after the destruction of the NUM In Nottingham, this lot want sorting before every woring person's right have gone, & go it will, S.Wales will back that up as you will remember.

[mrblear]

@ Z-M

junior doctors are not doctors who are 'doing their practical' - they are qualified doctors. If you are unfortunate enough to end up in A & E you will be treated by a junior doctor. I hope that is now clear.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// He has yet to realise that he isn't dealing with hairy-*** Miners or Dockers or British Leyland workers, but the output of our best schools and colleges. ///

Spoken as a true supporter of the British working classes.

[anotheoldgit]

It should be made unlawful for Doctors to strike, as well as other emergency workers.

The Armed Forces cannot go out on strike, so why should they?

[Zacs-Master]

Mrblear.....so why are the called 'junior' doctors and not just 'doctors' and why do they have to take more exams? The ones who would be treating you in A&E would be the ones going through the training I refer to.

Anyway, AOG, I believe that The Junior Doctors should have the moral fibre to think that striking is blackmail and refrain from it at all costs rather than it being an imposed legality.

[mrblear]

They are referred to as 'doctor' because they are, drum roll, doctors. They have to pass more exams to become consultants as we both know. You are suggesting that a patient in A&E would be allowed to be treated by an unqualified person which is absurd.

[Zacs-Master]

Mrblear:
http://www.bma.org.uk/developing-your-career/medical-student/the-role-of-the-doctor/role-of-the-junior-doctor

'Furthermore, the roles of a junior doctor as a professional, as a trainee, and in delivering healthcare service cannot be separated. Properly supervised service is essential to training.' Note the words 'trainee' and 'training'.

[andy-hughes]

Zacs-Master - //Anyway, AOG, I believe that The Junior Doctors should have the moral fibre to think that striking is blackmail and refrain from it at all costs rather than it being an imposed legality. //

As long as there have been workers, the only way that the vast majority of workers to express their dissatisfaction with being bullied by employers is to withdraw their labour.

That is the only tool at their disposal that will actually have any effect.

So I have no doubt - as I have said before - that any JD going on strike is fully aware of the consequences of their action, which is obviously the point of it, and has had to wrestle with their conscience about their action.

To imply that they lack 'moral fibre' simply because some people think that they are some sort of special case, and should be denied the right of expression available to almost every other working person, simply because of the type of work they do, is fundamentally wrong.

Would you refuse to strike because someone told you that you shouldn't because you are 'exempt' from the rights of your peers to express yourself?

I wouldn't!

[naomi24]

I don't think the BMA website makes it clear. This from wiki is straightforward. They are not 'trainee doctors'.


//Junior doctors in the United Kingdom and Ireland are qualified medical practitioners who are working whilst engaged in postgraduate training to become a consultant or a GP. //

[naomi24]

Sorry, forgot to post the link.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junior_doctor

[mrblear]

naomi just beat me to post that very same link. As I said in my original post the term 'junior doctor' is misleading, it implies raw recruits when in fact it includes Senior House Officers and Specialist Registrars.