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Perhaps they never went away !
Instead of facing up to the mess that the NHS is in, the Tories descend into childish schoolboy behaviour. Yah-boo politics, at its worst.
On the eve of yet another strike by Doctors, shouldn't the PM and his party at least try to act as adults ?
Perhaps they never went away !
Instead of facing up to the mess that the NHS is in, the Tories descend into childish schoolboy behaviour. Yah-boo politics, at its worst.
On the eve of yet another strike by Doctors, shouldn't the PM and his party at least try to act as adults ?
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I have to say that I have every sympathy with Mr Cameron and Mr Corbyn and their daily wrangles across the dispatch box. As veterans of heated debate in the News section, we have both observed how easy it is to be drawn into increasingly childish and pointless exchanges with people who are also old enough to know better. Indeed, it is with astonishing ease that...
20:43 Wed 24th Feb 2016
If you read my link even the BMA seem confused by the term. I agree it should be changed.
On another angle, does anyone think that the attitudes to workload may stem from the dumbing down of prior qualifications e.g. A levels / degrees, so that when the JDs actually have to work, it's a bit of a shock? The trend for falling out of training has been happening for years:
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On another angle, does anyone think that the attitudes to workload may stem from the dumbing down of prior qualifications e.g. A levels / degrees, so that when the JDs actually have to work, it's a bit of a shock? The trend for falling out of training has been happening for years:
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andy-hughes, //Would you refuse to strike because someone told you that you shouldn't because you are 'exempt' from the rights of your peers to express yourself?//
I don’t think anyone is denying them the right to ‘express’ themselves. Personally I would refuse to strike if it meant that my action put sick people who needed me at risk. I simply couldn't do it. I’d rather sleep with a clear conscience.
I don’t think anyone is denying them the right to ‘express’ themselves. Personally I would refuse to strike if it meant that my action put sick people who needed me at risk. I simply couldn't do it. I’d rather sleep with a clear conscience.
If you want to muddy the water, then define the term "Junior Doctor" it can be whatever you want it to be depending upon your side of the argument.
To me a JUNIOR Doctor is a doctor in training at sub consultant level who is training to be a GP or Consultant. The exception to this is a Senior Registrar who is at sub consultant level, but trained and waiting for a Consultant post.
For mikey....we all acknowledge how you feel about Hunt and the Conservatives and respect your views, but it does no credit to you or your cause to bang on about how it is the fault of the Conservatives, when all fair and experienced workers in health care in the UK, realise, that the NHS has been struggling for decades.
To me a JUNIOR Doctor is a doctor in training at sub consultant level who is training to be a GP or Consultant. The exception to this is a Senior Registrar who is at sub consultant level, but trained and waiting for a Consultant post.
For mikey....we all acknowledge how you feel about Hunt and the Conservatives and respect your views, but it does no credit to you or your cause to bang on about how it is the fault of the Conservatives, when all fair and experienced workers in health care in the UK, realise, that the NHS has been struggling for decades.
Naomi - andy-hughes, //Would you refuse to strike because someone told you that you shouldn't because you are 'exempt' from the rights of your peers to express yourself?//
I don’t think anyone is denying them the right to ‘express’ themselves. Personally I would refuse to strike if it meant that my action put sick people who needed me at risk. I simply couldn't do it. I’d rather sleep with a clear conscience. //
I think people are denying them - by the taking the moral high ground in respect of patient care, which I am sure is what they intend.
I can see that you Naomi and Zacs-Master, and I, share a different approach to the issue of striking, and we are unlikely to change each others' viewpoints on this - but thanks for the exchange of views - always valuable.
I don’t think anyone is denying them the right to ‘express’ themselves. Personally I would refuse to strike if it meant that my action put sick people who needed me at risk. I simply couldn't do it. I’d rather sleep with a clear conscience. //
I think people are denying them - by the taking the moral high ground in respect of patient care, which I am sure is what they intend.
I can see that you Naomi and Zacs-Master, and I, share a different approach to the issue of striking, and we are unlikely to change each others' viewpoints on this - but thanks for the exchange of views - always valuable.
Zacs, //On another angle, does anyone think that the attitudes to workload may stem from the dumbing down of prior qualifications e.g. A levels / degrees//
Yes, I think there might be something in that. However, along similar lines I think it’s ludicrous to require fairly high academic qualifications from nurses. I suspect a lot of genuinely caring and very capable people are now no longer able to enter the profession.
Yes, I think there might be something in that. However, along similar lines I think it’s ludicrous to require fairly high academic qualifications from nurses. I suspect a lot of genuinely caring and very capable people are now no longer able to enter the profession.
Just looks like they are wrestling with their consciences over their action.
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What about their patients who are wrestling with their pain?
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What about their patients who are wrestling with their pain?
Naomi - //I suspect a lot of genuinely caring and very capable people are now no longer able to enter the profession. //
Absolutely - my youngest daughter, who would love to be a midwife, and has all the attributes required, lacks the academic rigour to pass the unacceptably high qualifying exams, and is denied her dream job.
Absolutely - my youngest daughter, who would love to be a midwife, and has all the attributes required, lacks the academic rigour to pass the unacceptably high qualifying exams, and is denied her dream job.
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