Ok I Know I'm Going To Called Names For This But......

[ToraToraTora]

http://news.sky.com/story/1675325/springsteen-axes-gig-over-transgender-toilets
Surely we need to resolve the whole toilet/changing room issue don't we?

[maggiebee]

And just how will this be enforced? Storm in a teacup IMO.

[jomifl]

You need to read the paper entitled 'the T issue'..

[Gromit]

Why does it need Government (or in this case Ferderal) legislation at all?

A system that dictates who can have a pee and where is the most interfering and stupid use of power.

If Mr Springsteen wants transgenders to use a toilet that they choose, then the Government should not get involved. If members of the public do not want to share toilet facilities with a TG, then they have the right to not buy a ticket.

[jim360]

Yes it does need to be resolved at some point, ideally sooner rather than later. No, I don't think you are going to get called names. Not by me, at any rate. Also, I think in your previous thread (that wasn't strictly about toilets but ended up that way) I said all that I wanted to on the subject, and then twice as much again besides, so hopefully this shortish post will be enough.

[ToraToraTora]

what thread was that jim?

[ToraToraTora]

this does have wider implications, I mean if I decide I'm TG can I suddenly start changing in the ladies?

[ummmm]

Why would you be called names?

[jim360]

This one:

http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/News/Question1483106.html

[CrapAtCryptics]

His/Hers/Middlesex

[naomi24]

//I decide I'm TG can I suddenly start changing in the ladies? //

Apparently so.

[douglas9401]

Sorting it all out clearly would avoid Chantelle going to the Mail about her little Samasara-Demi being traumatised by a lady with a winkie in a Tesco wimmin's lavvy I suppose.

[rockyracoon]

Whilst I admire his stance on the subject, I can't help feeling sorry for all the fans that may have paid for non refundable hotel rooms and transport.

[ToraToraTora]

ummmm: "Why would you be called names? " - because when this sort of thing is discussed, perfectly reasonable questions of practicality and logic get taken to be some sort of ism and thus berated.

[jim360]

I think it's pretty self-evident that anyone who "decides" they are trans for the express purpose of changing in the ladies' doesn't belong in there. That's what we have laws against harassment for. In terms of the law, then, there are already adequate laws against any offences that may arise. Making it a specific offence to walk into the "wrong" toilet -- where, anyway, "wrong" is somewhat of a subjective thing on this issue -- is completely unnecessary.

[ummmm]

I'm with Rocky...I feel for the fans.

[naomi24]

Jim, you would say that. It's in your interest to say that - but you're not a woman. Dirty old men wouldn't necessary take advantage of this to harass people. As far as I'm aware leering isn't illegal.

[naomi24]

*necessarily*

[woofgang]

surely dressing up as a member of a different gender is a lot of effort to go to just for a leer?

[Prudie]

So what is the solution to this bigotry? - anyone can use whichever they like or only transgenders?

[anotheoldgit]

naomi24

/// Jim, you would say that. It's in your interest to say that - but you're not a woman. Dirty old men wouldn't necessary take advantage ///

Is there no such thing as 'dirty minded women'?

And why do they always say 'dirty old men' it's the 'dirty young men' that women should be afraid of. :0)