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Us Schools Are Put On Notice To Respect Transgender Rights
In the US schools have been warned to not discriminate against transgender kids using the loo of their choice:
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How would you feel about this approach being taken in the UK, in UK schools?
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How would you feel about this approach being taken in the UK, in UK schools?
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well there are apparently 25+ "genders" so we need to do something or start building more kazis!
11:46 Fri 13th May 2016
Oh, and the affected kids don't need saving from themselves. We all know how we feel as we go through life. How we feel is our own private matter and we all deal with it. If we decide to reveal something personal to others that is our choice and we take any advantages and disadvantages that go with it, because we are responsible for making that choice.
sp, //transgender people have enough to deal with, without being messed with when they want to go for a pee.//
Why would going for a pee in a toilet assigned to their physical gender mess them up? They have the same ‘bits’ as all the other users and so unless, in the process of having a pee, they feel compelled to bare their souls, I don’t see how it can affect them. And how about the other children? Isn’t there a danger that sharing a toilet with someone of the opposite physical gender might mess them up, or doesn't that matter?
Why would going for a pee in a toilet assigned to their physical gender mess them up? They have the same ‘bits’ as all the other users and so unless, in the process of having a pee, they feel compelled to bare their souls, I don’t see how it can affect them. And how about the other children? Isn’t there a danger that sharing a toilet with someone of the opposite physical gender might mess them up, or doesn't that matter?
Like I said, Naomi, it's about respecting the identity and the right to be transgender in public, or not. Or did you overlook that?
If you tell someone they have to go the gents', then it follows that you see them as a gent. So either we rebrand the toilets by sexual organs, or we match toilet use to gender identity, or we reform the way in which public toilets are organised (and, for that matter, as shoota suggested, public changing room facilities).
It is a big issue to feel accepted by society for some people, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand as pandering, or for any other reason.
If you tell someone they have to go the gents', then it follows that you see them as a gent. So either we rebrand the toilets by sexual organs, or we match toilet use to gender identity, or we reform the way in which public toilets are organised (and, for that matter, as shoota suggested, public changing room facilities).
It is a big issue to feel accepted by society for some people, and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand as pandering, or for any other reason.
Incidentally, the answer to AOG's question is the same as before: people who try to abuse the system will be weeded out easily enough. Particularly at school, the only way to try and maintain the lie that led boys to enter girls' toilets would be for them to live as a girl in daily life. Good luck to anyone who wants to try that when it isn't actually how they feel. Maintaining a deception on that scale is very difficult, and very damaging.
Which, incidentally, is why the idea of asking people to maintain the reverse deception in order to avoid bullying is just as damaging.
Which, incidentally, is why the idea of asking people to maintain the reverse deception in order to avoid bullying is just as damaging.
Jim, //the idea of asking people to maintain the reverse deception//
It’s not deception. Regardless of your mental attitude, you have bloke's bits and therefore physically you are a bloke. You demand respect for your sensitivities - in fact you want everyone else to accommodate them - but you're not willing to extend that respect to others by considering their sensitivities. If peeing is such an unimportant matter, as was suggested as a reason to allow men to use women's toilets, why make such a fuss over it? Just go to the bloke’s toilet where all your bits match every other users - and pee!
It’s not deception. Regardless of your mental attitude, you have bloke's bits and therefore physically you are a bloke. You demand respect for your sensitivities - in fact you want everyone else to accommodate them - but you're not willing to extend that respect to others by considering their sensitivities. If peeing is such an unimportant matter, as was suggested as a reason to allow men to use women's toilets, why make such a fuss over it? Just go to the bloke’s toilet where all your bits match every other users - and pee!
jim360
/// people who try to abuse the system will be weeded out easily enough. Particularly at school, the only way to try and maintain the lie that led boys to enter girls' toilets would be for them to live as a girl in daily life. ///
All it takes is for the 'naughty' boys to say "I'm transgender Miss/Sir", who would dare disbelieve them?
/// people who try to abuse the system will be weeded out easily enough. Particularly at school, the only way to try and maintain the lie that led boys to enter girls' toilets would be for them to live as a girl in daily life. ///
All it takes is for the 'naughty' boys to say "I'm transgender Miss/Sir", who would dare disbelieve them?
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