So Do We Have A Veto Or Not?

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36353013
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[Dodger666]

It appears to be whoever you believe. Penny Mordaunt says we don't have a veto and call me Dave says we do. I know which one I believe.

If we remain in the EU, imagine the UK(if it's still called that) when your grandchildren's grandchildren are growing up.

Vote out!!

[Svejk]

The EU has a long and dishonourable record of ignoring vetos and referendums. By hook or by crook, they push through whatever (crazy) agenda they think up.

[naomi24]

//Mr Cameron said that at the current rate of progress it would be the "year 3000" before Turkey joined,,,"//

Crikey! Almost a thousand years! Sounds fairly safe then. ;o)

[Svejk]

^ And 9 weeks ago, he signed up to an accord to fast track their application.

[mushroom25]

sooooo - in the matter of Turkish accession to the EU, is the EU likley to cave into Turkish demands with regard to the impasse in Cyprus?

[naomi24]

In amid all the commotion about Turkey being fast-tracked in exchange for them agreeing to stem the flow of refugees into Europe, I thought I’d check out the criteria for gaining Turkish citizenship. It seems a fairly simple process. Not that I’m suspicious you understand, but why would Turkey agree to take responsibility for thousands of migrants in the first place, and once Turkey is part of Europe, what’s to stop them handing citizenship to incomers thereby giving them free access to Europe too – and getting rid of them in the process?

[Gromit]

// It seems a fairly simple process to get Turkish citizenship. //

It looks a lot harder than getting British citizenship to me. How many of the incomers to the UK can satify this list?

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A foreign national may apply for nationalization if he or she meets all of the following conditions:

Reached the age of majority as defined by the laws of his or her own country or those of Turkey in the case of stateless persons,

Resided in Turkey for an uninterrupted five years prior to filing the application,

Intends to settle in Turkey and has taken actions that demonstrate this,

Is free of any disease that threatens public health,

Is of good moral character,

Has an adequate command of the Turkish language,

Has sufficient income for his or her own livelihood and that of any dependants in Turkey,

And poses no threat to national security and public order.

Meeting these conditions does not give a foreign national an absolute right to Turkish citizenship.

A foreign national who has been married to a Turkish citizen for three years and is still married to that partner may apply for naturalization under a different set of conditions:

Resides with Turkish partner (exceptions granted if Turkish partner dies after application is lodged),

Avoids acts that would jeopardise the marriage,

And poses no threat to national security and public order.

Following a successful application, the naturalised partner may preserve their Turkish citizenship in the event of the marriage dissolving, so long as both partners entered into the marriage contract in good faith.

[Svejk]

^Or alternatively, just buy a Turkish passport for 10 quid.

[naomi24]

Gromit, you missed this bit. //Turkey's citizenship law tends to be flexible. Officials sometimes make exceptions if they perceive that a decision will improve the country's image in the international media. This is especially true as the Turkish government continues to court the European Union.//

‘Officials’ are able to make exceptions so it can be a very simple process if 'officials' so choose. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if the rubber stamp is brandished with rather more flare after Turkey is welcomed into the happy family.

[THEMOTLEY1]

Gromit, the list you gave appears to apply to people trying to get Turkish Citizenship, not UK, why would we care if they have
///Reached the age of majority as defined by the laws of his or her own country or those of Turkey in the case of stateless persons,
Resided in Turkey for an uninterrupted five years prior to filing the application,
Meeting these conditions does not give a foreign national an absolute right to Turkish citizenship. ///
Just asking?

[ToraToraTora]

all wonderful chaps but can we try and resolve the question of whether we do actually have a veto to stop 70million captains joining our benefits system?

[Khandro]

The way the EU constitution is set, as I understand it and having looked into it a bit, once their application has been accepted - as it already has been, they simply have fulfil all the requirements, which include finance and civil rights etc. and bingo they are in! There are no vetos just as there is no democracy and that is why we should get out.

[mikey4444]

I can't see Turkey being able to become a EU member for a long time. Its human rights record alone would be a barrier.

[naomi24]

TTT, sorry for my bit in taking the thread off track. You're quite right. We should stick to the subject. It's important.

[New Judge]

Whether or not we have a veto is not the issue. If we haven't it does not matter but if we have it's a question of whether we'd use it.

The UK has a long and proud record of total capitualtion to almost everthing the EU suggests. Normally this is because we are consistently outvoted in the European Parliament. But as well as this senior UK politicians seem to have an almost pathological desire to accede to almost anything the Euromaniacs want. A deal will be struck (the benefits to the UK of which will be quietly but swiftly ditched) and the "European Project" will plough on.

[Gromit]

It is rather disingenous of Cameron to insist we would have a veto, when he is strongly in favour of Turkey joining the EU.

// Cameron: 'UK strongly supports Turkey EU membership bid'

27 July 2010

David Cameron has strongly supported Turkey's application to join the European Union on a visit to the country.
Speaking in Ankara, the Prime Minister said that he was "angry" at the lack of progress in the negotiations.
He said that the UK will do everything it can to help Turkey "pave the road from Ankara to Brussels". //

[Old_Geezer]

I strongly support Turkey's inclusion as soon as we've left. Meanwhile whoever is right re a veto, the EU elite are past masters of putting the pressure on, or giving "bribes", in the form of something the dissenting country wants, in order to get the decision it insists on. No matter how many times it needs to be voted on.

[Khandro]

Tony Blair was the first to start all this, it's nothing to do with political parties it's all about the Americans (as it is with Germany too) and we should the have utmost concern as Douglas Murray points out;

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2016/03/camerons-support-for-turkeys-eu-membership-should-worry-us-all/

[Gromit]

// Tony Blair was the first to start all this //

Actually, it was Margaret Thatcher. She was PM when Turkey put in their application in 1987, and was supportive, visiting Turkey the following year. Thatcher was influenced by Reagan who was very keen on Yurkey's membership.

[Khandro]

grmt; OK thanks. I've just seen DC on the telly saying most adamantly that he has the right to veto Turkey joining the EU, but I think he is confusing it with membership of the Bullington Club.
I think he has lost all credibility. He says leaving the EU will bring about WW3, so why did he call for a referendum? He calls for a summit on corruption and it seems the UK is the most culpable country at tax avoidance at the meeting. He reminds me of Jim Hacker.