Leave Vs. Remain

[sp1814]

The EU Referendum is by a great distance, the most important vote that this generation has to decide...however...

Is anyone else absolutely bored to death with it?

Seriously - there's the rabid Brexit side and the mental Remainiacs...and they...just...won't...shut...up.

It's seems to have been going on for ages now...

It feels like the third hour of Eurovision when you've run out of Prosecco and Albania is on.

Am I alone in wanting it to be over and done with???

[sp1814]

Just to clarify - this thread is neither in support of Leave or Remain...it's about Leave or Remain.

AB Editor...yes. I know what you're saying.

Lie-in King. Seriously, it's a great login name. And the best thing that could happen is a landslide one way or the other.

I am on the Remain side, and would welcome a landslide for Remain (70/30) or a landslide for Leave (70/30) - but I have a horrible feeling we are going to see 55/45...and that means whoever loses is going to spend the next eighteen months grizzling like a One Direction fan.

[ladybirder]

If in Doubt
Do Nowt.

If some can't make their minds up then surely they should stick to the status quo.

[albaqwerty]

one thing that irks me is when I hear folk say 'I'm not going to vote cos it doesn't matter'

of course it matters !!

Didn't some mad number register yesterday? 200,000 folk?
Don't mind which way they vote, just as long as everyone who can, does

[Old_Geezer]

If in doubt, do nowt, means abstain from voting: and leave it to those who can work it out. Not force a result that the unconfused may think is not the correct one.

[New Judge]

I think the referendum should have been announced on (say) the 1st of June and held on the 2nd. IMHO anybody who had not made up their mind by the time the vote was announced does not deserve to vote. It’s not as if the referendum was exactly a surprise. It is not like a general election where each of the parties tries to hoodwink the electorate into believing they are the greatest thing since sliced bread and will do them proud in the coming five years. The UK has been an EU member for more than forty years. People know whether they believe it is good or bad for them. They know the direction it is travelling and they know that all members – including the UK - will be locked in for the ride. Nothing said by supporters of either side will alter that.

I decided I would like the UK to leave the EU more than twenty years ago. My view was strengthened with the launch of the euro in 1999 and was made irreconcilable with the eastern expansion in 2004. I’m not campaigning in this question for a Leave vote. There are plenty of others available where I can do that. The question sp asked is about the turgidity and boredom of the campaigns. I quite agree. I am fed up with it. Those who crave for the facts will be disappointed. There will only be conjecture because nobody knows for certain what the future holds either in or out of the Union. “Experts” who are forecasting that we will all be £2,467.45 better or worse off in 2039 are the same experts who cannot tell us with any degree of certainty what a litre of diesel will cost next week. Nothing that any politician – or indeed anybody else - will say will alter my view which is that the EU does nothing for the UK that could not be achieved outside but it inflicts an awful lot of harm on the UK and many other member nations which we could all do without. And I formed that view without any campaign. Roll on 23rd !!!

[mikey4444]

NJ....both of us are "political animals" which I am sure you will agree.

But not everybody is.....far from it, and those people need facts, simply put, so that they can understand. And there has been a woeful lack of simple, plain facts.

[New Judge]

"If some can't make their minds up then surely they should stick to the status quo."

Not a bad philosophy. Rather akin to "if it ain't broke don't fix it".

But many believe the EU is broke. However, more important than that is that there is no "status quo". The EU has changed beyond all recognition in the last 20 years. And it will changed beyond all recognition in the next 20. It has clear and stated aims and everybody knows in which direction it is heading. Those happy with the destination should vote to remain; those not so should vote to leave because one thing is for sure: the status quo is not an option on the referendum form.

[aqua-gility]

I fully support New Judge when he states his position without trying to back it up with a load of bogus 'statistics'.
For me it's just enough to consider the question "if we could start from scratch, knowing what we do, would we consider joining now?"
I think not!

[maggiebee]

Postal vote winging its way. I've made up my mind and really don't want to read any more about it before the result is in.

[viv41]

Bored with it, yet you've started another thread on it !! My decision is fixed and nothing will sway me.

[sp1814]

viv41

Yes...I get what you're saying, but it's like starting a thread criticising the amount of publicity Katie Hopkins gets. In order to bemoan her, you have to reference her.

[sp1814]

My point is that the lead up seems to have gone on way too long...and we still have another two weeks and two days to go!!!

[viv41]

Eh ?????

[sp1814]

viv41

Which bit?

[viv41]

Don't understand why you had to mention Katie H. and frankly sp, not interested now either ......

[sp1814]

Okay no worries viv41. I was trying to go for an analogy. You can replace Hopkins with Kim Kardashian.

Probably makes it worse.

[sp1814]

Tonight at 9 pm when Farage slaughters Cameron will hopefully be a substantial nail in the coffin of remain.

Arrrrrggghhhhh!!!!

[naomi24]

I'll be pleased when it's over but I'm not bored with it. I think it's important that it's thrashed out - especially for people who usually take little interest in politics.

[DTCwordfan]

there have been incidents of near-violence/threatening behaviour from Brexiters in front of M&S down here these past few days and that ain't on in anybody's book. Whatever one's politics or opinion it's a disgrace.

That is perhaps another real issue in how divisive this has all been......how will the Government and society rebalance things?