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Your Verdict On Cameron As Pm
What do you think about his Premiership?
I would rate him 7/10.
To me, he was what I call 'a good Tory'. Genuinely felt sorry for him the day after the Referendum. I'm personally happy that Tezza May has taken over as she represents the type of Tory who seems modern and forward-looking.
How do you feel about David?
I would rate him 7/10.
To me, he was what I call 'a good Tory'. Genuinely felt sorry for him the day after the Referendum. I'm personally happy that Tezza May has taken over as she represents the type of Tory who seems modern and forward-looking.
How do you feel about David?
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Is that 7/10 for Tories or 7/10 for any PM SP?
I thought 6/10 as a Tory, could have been higher had he not gone to Brussels to get nothing then still back the remainiacs. That dropped him down possible 2 points in my view. As Peace time Tories go though no disgrace, the range is basically 1 for The traitor in chief Ted Heath and 10 for TGL herself. To be an 8 he should have backed leave and told the EU where to go.
I thought 6/10 as a Tory, could have been higher had he not gone to Brussels to get nothing then still back the remainiacs. That dropped him down possible 2 points in my view. As Peace time Tories go though no disgrace, the range is basically 1 for The traitor in chief Ted Heath and 10 for TGL herself. To be an 8 he should have backed leave and told the EU where to go.
He has been an unmitigated disaster. Far far worse than I expected 6 years ago.
The fundamental problem has been his inability to manage his own party and take it where he wanted to go. He had a hard job of preventing a split, so he gave in, time and time again, to factions that he did not believe in. That eventually backfired spectacularly when he was forced, against his better judgement into offering a referendum on the EU, and that led to his demise.
Also, his was not a listening Government. They would embark on a path inspired by their own dogma. They did not take soundings or bother to work out if their plans were viable. The result was that many policies fell flat, quickly unravelled, or often had the reverse result than intended. His tenure was characterised by u-turn after un-turn after u-turn.
The fundamental problem has been his inability to manage his own party and take it where he wanted to go. He had a hard job of preventing a split, so he gave in, time and time again, to factions that he did not believe in. That eventually backfired spectacularly when he was forced, against his better judgement into offering a referendum on the EU, and that led to his demise.
Also, his was not a listening Government. They would embark on a path inspired by their own dogma. They did not take soundings or bother to work out if their plans were viable. The result was that many policies fell flat, quickly unravelled, or often had the reverse result than intended. His tenure was characterised by u-turn after un-turn after u-turn.
Gee ... I don't keep a diary. I'd need to analyse what he was responsible for over his term of office. I suppose he did give us the referendum which is in his favour even if he campaigned for continued subjugation by the EU. From what I can recall immediately he was no worse than most Tory PMs, nor some Labour ones. Difficult to think of something he could be proud of, although he spoke well when defending his corner.
“Thankfully Mrs May has indicated an end to austerity,…”
When did it begin? I must have missed it.
As a “proper” Tory I rate Mr Cameron as a reluctant one out of ten. This reluctance is not in the same vein as Mrs May’s “reluctant Remainer” position (which was acquired, quite astutely as it turns out, so that she could have her bread buttered on both sides). My reluctance is that I’d rather give him nought. But on the basis that any so-called Tory is better than any alternative currently on offer he just scrapes into positive territory. He gains his point mainly for calling a referendum (which he would never have done off his own bat). He lost eight points for continually talking about us remaining in a “reformed” EU when no such animal exists; he lost another six when he introduced the Fixed Term Parliament Act to appease the LibDems (when he should have formed a minority government, suffered a defeat or two in the Commons and called a second election); he lost another five when he prescribed in law how much we must give in “Aid” to foreigners. Hang on! That’s minus eighteen. Well that’s about right.
Whilst he did not inflict the type of damage upon the country that was visited by Blair and Brown, he didn’t really achieve too much. He capitulated over benefit reform; he continually tried to get us involved in Middle East (and in particular Islamic) problems which the western world has not a hope in hell of solving. In short, he tried to be all things to all people, was petrified of upsetting even the smallest minority and, in short, was never a Tory to begin with.
I doubt Mrs May will fare any better. This country needs a strong leader, unafraid of upsetting a few people in order to improve the lot of the majority. I don’t think she fits the bill and once the senior civil servants begin moulding her to their preferred shape I doubt many of us will notice the difference.
When did it begin? I must have missed it.
As a “proper” Tory I rate Mr Cameron as a reluctant one out of ten. This reluctance is not in the same vein as Mrs May’s “reluctant Remainer” position (which was acquired, quite astutely as it turns out, so that she could have her bread buttered on both sides). My reluctance is that I’d rather give him nought. But on the basis that any so-called Tory is better than any alternative currently on offer he just scrapes into positive territory. He gains his point mainly for calling a referendum (which he would never have done off his own bat). He lost eight points for continually talking about us remaining in a “reformed” EU when no such animal exists; he lost another six when he introduced the Fixed Term Parliament Act to appease the LibDems (when he should have formed a minority government, suffered a defeat or two in the Commons and called a second election); he lost another five when he prescribed in law how much we must give in “Aid” to foreigners. Hang on! That’s minus eighteen. Well that’s about right.
Whilst he did not inflict the type of damage upon the country that was visited by Blair and Brown, he didn’t really achieve too much. He capitulated over benefit reform; he continually tried to get us involved in Middle East (and in particular Islamic) problems which the western world has not a hope in hell of solving. In short, he tried to be all things to all people, was petrified of upsetting even the smallest minority and, in short, was never a Tory to begin with.
I doubt Mrs May will fare any better. This country needs a strong leader, unafraid of upsetting a few people in order to improve the lot of the majority. I don’t think she fits the bill and once the senior civil servants begin moulding her to their preferred shape I doubt many of us will notice the difference.
I like Cameron, but I think Portillo a week or two ago on "This Week" got it about right:
David Cameron had no need to call this referendum. He did it purely for party political reasons. He was worried about UKIP which I think at the time had no Members of Parliament at all and now has one Member of Parliament, so that's how good his political "instinct" was. Of course, his stock-in-trade was short-termism so he didn't for a moment think through the consequences. So he lost himself his job, he split his party from top to bottom, he took Britain out of the European Union [an action] which he thought was going to be a catastrophe, all because he was kind of too clever by half. And this was his cynical view of the world: he didn't like the European Union very much but he was too frightened to leave, he thought the British people were too frightened to leave.
David Cameron had no need to call this referendum. He did it purely for party political reasons. He was worried about UKIP which I think at the time had no Members of Parliament at all and now has one Member of Parliament, so that's how good his political "instinct" was. Of course, his stock-in-trade was short-termism so he didn't for a moment think through the consequences. So he lost himself his job, he split his party from top to bottom, he took Britain out of the European Union [an action] which he thought was going to be a catastrophe, all because he was kind of too clever by half. And this was his cynical view of the world: he didn't like the European Union very much but he was too frightened to leave, he thought the British people were too frightened to leave.
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