Can We Trust This Pm ?

[1rovert]

I am beginning to wonder, on hearing what the SNP leader is saying, that she has a veto for Brexit.

Why hasn't our PM, came out and said, that its untrue ?

She should openly admit it, so we know where we stand, keeping quiet makes me think The SNP leader is right.

[fiction-factory]

Do you have a link which explains what this claimed veto actually means please? All MPs have a veto in that Brexit will need to be approved by the House of Commons

[EDDIE51]

The government did not want to come out of the EU. The result of the referendum was a disaster for them. The 'Scottish Problem' has given them the perfect reason for not going through with the result. They can't actually say so, it will just get 'delayed' until a plan to ignore the narrow majority for 'leave' can be thought up.
Let's face it what can they do? They have promised A50 will not be triggered until Scotland agrees and Scotland has very firmly said it will never agree. Any deal that allows Scotland to remain inside the EU will inevitably mean Scotland accepting the Euro as its currency. So we will have an open border with an EU full Euro zone nation. That can hardly be called being 'out of the EU' so we will never actually leave.

[gulliver1]

Bang on Eddie!.

[Old_Geezer]

This is precisely the problem. The word veto wasn't mentioned but didn't need to be. The newspapers stated that May would not proceed until all agreed with the approach for the negotiations which clearly means anyone can stop progress by continually not agreeing. The only sensible approach is to take on board others' views and then proceed with what we have to do anyway.

[Old_Geezer]

An open border with the Euro being the currency used on one side has zero effect on being in or out of the EU.

[EDDIE51]

^^ I agree, but with the Euro being used on one side of the open border, the two currencies will be used 'cross border' as Scottish notes are now. The Euro will effectively become a joint currency with the £. Shops in Scotland and near the English border will accept both £ and Euros just as now English and Scottish bank notes are accepted.

[Peter Pedant]

// I am beginning to wonder, on hearing what the SNP leader is saying, that she has a veto for Brexit. //

why has nt the PM .....

why hasnt the SNP leader come out with - 'I know I dont have a veto' ?

Heloooo they are both politicians, so truth isnt exactly the bedfellow of any of them - in fact I have noticed they lie a lot

do you remember someone saying - that is £350 m a week for the NHS ?
and as soon as you suckers voted for Brexit on this very point and immigration he said - oops I shouldnt have said that ?

You dont ? well this should remind you

[Peter Pedant]

well thank god there is a 'scottish problem' !

did you notice what happened in Cornwall ( ware dat den ? )
they are heavily dependent on EU money
and voted for out...
then it dawned that Cornwall would be down a few billion
so dang-oi - the county council contacted London and demanded that all the money lost from Brexit should be made up as of right by the London tax payer !

[woofgang]

EDDIE, English and Scottish banknotes are used on a one for one basis with no currency conversion issues. If the euro was used interchangeably then there would need to be constant rate monitoring plus an allowance made for the costs of the currency exchange. Its really not a goer....and computing change would be a nightmare

[ichkeria]

Eddie's right, and of course the issue he mentions will also exist in Ireland, which already has the euro

[ichkeria]

It's been pointed out before, but the £350 million claim was made by the "official" Brexit campaign, not the Banks-sponsored Farage operation. There was a barely concealed civil war between them during the campaign, tho they stopped short of denying any of the others' convenient untruths. But as soon as the referendum was over, Farage lost no time sticking the knife in. That's your definition of a consensus politician: falling out with one's own side of the argument :-)

[EDDIE51]

^^ Shops would just work out their own rate for Euros and accept them at that rate. If you go to London or any large city (I know it happens in Cambridge) you can spend Euros in the large shops. That practice will just spread nation wide. There would probably be a daily £ Euro rate published in the newspapers. All shops have computer tills now that can be instantly or automatically programed to accept the daily rate. My brother in law works in Harrods, they accept £, US$ , Euro, Japanese Yen, and other currencies through the tills without advance notice. The technology to do it is already widely used it would be very simple to extend it no need for banks to be involved.

[EDDIE51]

^^ You can spend Euro's in Cambridge in bars , pubs and restaurants as well as shops, even market stalls take them . A joint Euro £ currency zone would be no problem at all.

[ToraToraTora]

Load of old pony, westminster overrides hollyrood, end of. This was banded about by the SGB last week, it was blown out of the water by several legal experts. The PM has ignored it because that is what you do to this sort of c0bbl3rs. There is no veto and even if there was westminster can dissolve the Scottish parliament anyway. Another of Bliar's illusions.

[Old_Geezer]

Yet again: the £350 million was not simply a claim, it was the actual figure we were obliged to contribute before any temporary negotiated discount, and of course not subtracting any grants which all EU countries have a chance of getting anyway. And yet again, so Nigel, being human, made a very small number of errors including answering about the way the Leave camp presented the facts, when he had been asked the ridiculous question about £350M going to the NHS for the umpteenth stupid time. Can we not move on from this remain propaganda please ? I'm unsure how many times it is destined to be brought up, presumably to the acute embarrassment of the individual posting it. Or maybe to their glee if all they want to do is troll and don't care how they appear to the world.

[Old_Geezer]

I didn't realise that London citizens were the only ones paying into the public kitty. Who's getting all that is demanded of me then ?

[Old_Geezer]

Shops oop north, and in big tourist places like London may find it worthwhile to accept Euros, but much of the country won't bother, especially smaller shops. It's hardly makes it a second currency, just a small service exchange in some places.

[Old_Geezer]

... currency, just a small exchange service in some places.

How the heck can the tech change the position of the added word as I hit submit ??????

[gulliver1]

I think we will have another referendum, this time we will vote Stay in the EU, and that will be the end of it , and by the next time England is playing in the World Cup football, it will have all been forgotten about.

[Ellipsis]

The Conservative and Unionist Party "staunchly support the maintenance of the United Kingdom, and oppose the independence of any of the countries of the United Kingdom: England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland from it." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conservative_Party_(UK)#Union_policy

It's just one of the tricky questions that Theresa May has to deal with. She has to somehow negotiate a Brexit while keeping the Union together. Almost the first thing she said in her very first speech after becoming PM was: "David Cameron has led a one nation government and it is in that spirit that I also plan to lead. Because not everybody knows this, but the full title of my party is the Conservative and Unionist Party. And that word Unionist is very important to me. It means we believe in the Union. That precious, precious bond between England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland."

So, keeping Scotland as part of the Union is going to be important to her and the Tories generally.