A Mother Couldn't Get Any Worse Than This.....

[trt]

could they?

If she wasn't born here, she should be deported!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3718085/Mother-36-filmed-pornography-movies-14-year-old-son-daughter-three-sent-clips-relatives-Pakistan-jailed-five-years.html

[andy-hughes]

It's easy to take a mature balanced western view of this situation, but as the woman's defence points out - this woman has not been raised in, and does not live in a civilised society like ours.

That does not for one minute excuse her behaviour, but it does go towards explaining it.

This is a desperately sad situation, but a degree of understanding is always more helpful than simply reaching a snap judgement based on cultural attitudes which she neither knows or understands.

[bazwillrun]

"this woman has not been raised in, and does not live in a civilised society like ours. "

in that case she shouldnt be here, so ship her out pronto

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //"this woman has not been raised in, and does not live in a civilised society like ours. "

in that case she shouldnt be here, so ship her out pronto //

You can punish someone for acting in a way that is actually not their fault, by condemning them to continue to live in that situation, or you can educate her - and her child - that life is a lot better than that - and who knows, she may benefit from that and be a better and happier person and a far better mother.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// this woman has not been raised in, and does not live in a civilised society like ours. ///

Isn't it racist to assume that one particular race is superior to another?

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// or you can educate her - and her child - that life is a lot better than that - and who knows, she may benefit from that and be a better and happier person and a far better mother. ///

Education seems your answer to almost everything.

But tell us, where would all these 'education' classes take place?

Would there be separate one's for each offence that doesn't conform to our cultural upbringing?

Do you also wish to see education classes for all those young male migrants who are sexually molesting the females of Europe?

Who will pay for these lessons, should it be taken out of the overseas aid?

[beso]

AOG //Isn't it racist to assume that one particular race is superior to another?//

It would be if assumed but this fact can be objectively determined.

[bazwillrun]

perhaps unciviised trash like her should educate themselves as to our ways before they come here !...

[beso]

Though race isn't actually the issue. It is about culture and some cultures are definitely inferior.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //andy-hughes

/// this woman has not been raised in, and does not live in a civilised society like ours. ///

Isn't it racist to assume that one particular race is superior to another? //

To view one society as more civilised than another simply points out a difference - it does not infer, much less state, a sense of superiority.

[beso]

For example, a culture that treats women as subordinates can be objectively considered an inferior culture.

[andy-hughes]

AOG - //andy-hughes

/// or you can educate her - and her child - that life is a lot better than that - and who knows, she may benefit from that and be a better and happier person and a far better mother. ///

Education seems your answer to almost everything. //

It absolutely is the answer to almost everything, that's why I see it.

//But tell us, where would all these 'education' classes take place?

Would there be separate one's for each offence that doesn't conform to our cultural upbringing?

Do you also wish to see education classes for all those young male migrants who are sexually molesting the females of Europe?

Who will pay for these lessons, should it be taken out of the overseas aid? //

Education is not a matter of 'classes' - and I think you know better than that, but are using that scenario to belittle my point and make it appear that I think that the answer is simple.

Clearly it is anything but simple.

But education - in the sense in which I am employing the term - is about example, and trying to ensure that people who join our culture see for themselves the benefits of some of our ways of living and treating each other, compared with what they see as being the way things are.

So yes, education is the key - but in terms of showing examples, and people gradually accepting them, over a period of time, costs nothing financially, to anyone.

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //perhaps unciviised trash like her should educate themselves as to our ways before they come here !... //

Perhaps, given the opportunity, she would have done.

But she wasn't, so she couldn't, so your point rather falls down at that point.

You cannot decry people for not knowing what civilised behaviour looks like when they have never seen or experienced it for themselves.

[-Talbot-]

Why would she need educating?
... unless sex with your children is the norm in Pakistan?

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //Why would she need educating?
... unless sex with your children is the norm in Pakistan? //

Since sex with your own child goes against virtually every society code of behaviour anywhere on the planet - and I would suggest that includes Pakistan - then clearly something has seriously gone wrong here.

The education is not that she went against the taboos of her culture, I am reasonably sure that she was fully aware of that - the education is that she does not have to be subjugated to the will of dominant perverts thousands of miles away.

[-Talbot-]

I'm sure you think that is a good answer, andy.
To me it is you just saying stuff.

[andy-hughes]

Talbot - //I'm sure you think that is a good answer, andy.
To me it is you just saying stuff. //

There's not really anything I can say in response to that Talbot.

[mikey4444]

Andy....I couldn't give a rats *** what "cultural attitudes" this woman has been brought up in.....I know of no civilised society where its OK for mother and sons to have sex.

[trt]

Its a pity that we don't know how long she has been here, if not born here, or speaks/reads English, but if she has been living in a UK town or community, surely she must know what's right & wrong?

[Mamyalynne]

There is never an excuse for this behaviour - from the age of 13 she was thrust into a world of abuse and subservience maybe earlier we don't know.

The whole thing is a vile tangle of manipulation and now the children and of course her pay the price.


^^ And yes, that's just saying stuff too.

[anotheoldgit]

andy-hughes

/// To view one society as more civilised than another simply points out a difference - it does not infer, much less state, a sense of superiority. ///

We are more civilised than them.

We are more educated than them.

We are better than them.

Sounds very much like superiority to me.