Should The Fact That This Drug-Dealing Killer's Parents Were Not Married, Be A Good Enough Reason For Him Not To Be Deported?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3851422/Jamaican-killer-thrown-country-say-Supreme-Court-judges-violate-human-rights.html

/// Upholding Johnson's appeal, Lady Hale ruled deporting him simply because of the accident of his birth outside wedlock would be unlawfully discriminatory. ///

/// Johnson was in no way responsible for his parents' unmarried status and there could be 'no justification' for deporting him. ///

[jackthehat]

Apparently so.

[Islay]

The law of this great land has spoken - accept it.

[Lunol]

I think that the more amazing story was that he hit someone with a block of wood, stabbed them and then only got 9 years?

Has anyone got the back story on this as 9 years is too small unless it was provocation, self defence or other reason?

[Gladeian]

No. Again dopey old liberal judges lean out from their ivory towers, living away from reality, to allow murderous foreign drug dealers to infest our society in the name of human rights.
If the Home Office decide on deportation there should be no appeal.

[sir.prize]

Born in wedlock or out should make no difference - he should be deported.

[EDDIE51]

The point here is that if this deportation was allowed it would mean that the law is different for someone born 'out of wedlock' ( a ***!) than for someone who's parents were married. It is the 'point of law' that is the crucial factor here NOT the details of this specific case.
We do not discriminate against someone who's parents were not married in any other situation so we can't do so in this case.
I DO NOT !!! in any way condone what he did, I am simply illustrating a point of law.

[EDDIE51]

Why has the swear censor removed the 'B' word which was used within it's correct meaning as 'born out of wedlock'?

[Bazile]

Because the swear filter can't detect context :-)

[Old_Geezer]

One would not be treating him differently because he is a barsteward, we would be treating him differently because he opted not to apply for British citizenship before he was 18.

To block deportation is therefore allowing him to 'have his cake and eat it' since he is Jamaican when it has suited him and now 'honorary' British when to be so benefits him.

It looks like blatant discrimination to me. Maybe other Jamaicans living here can claim it isn't their fault that they are Jamaican not British if caught doing something they ought not and threatened with deportation.

[EDDIE51]

OG, the point is that if his parents had been married he would not have needed to apply for British Citizenship, it would have granted been automatically .
That is why the deportation case failed. Discrimination against someone because of his/her parents marital status has been shown to be illegal.So AOG it WAS a good enough reason.

[Old_Geezer]

But that is not the point, that is an irrelevance. One could always argue that if one wasn't Jamaican then one wouldn't need to apply for citizenship regardless of who one's parents were. Whether they were married or not should not be a factor. It's been claimed/made a factor in order to try to justify a strange decision.

[EDDIE51]

^^ But it IS a factor. If the circumstances were exactly the same save that his parents were married then he would have automatically been given British citizenship and could not be deported .That is the law!.
The only reason it was possible to try to deport him was that his parents never got married. That is not his fault so he should not suffer for it.
Again I point out I DO NOT support this person he is a murderer and should be in prison for life. But the point of law is that he should not have been threatened with deportation. I am only arguing the point of law!

[youngmafbog]

Time to take back our country and put the minority bleeding heart EU loving liberals back in their place.

The Hra needs abolishing poste haste and replaced with one that protects the victim not the perpetrator.

[naomi24]

His parents weren't married. Life deals some cruel blows - and if he could I expect the man he killed would say the same. Kick him out.

[Peter Pedant]

//He is not a British citizen, get him on the plane - cattle class. //

yeah wiv all the essex chavz - possed out of their brains on their way to eye- beefa. come to think of it he could do a bit of business on the way

o by the way
t support eddie

"The fundamental issue in this case is a simple one. Is it compatible with the
European Convention on Human Rights to deny British citizenship to the child of a
British father and a non-British mother simply because they were not married to one
another at the time of his birth or at any time thereafter?"

and the answer they say is no

the rest of the judgement is here
https://www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2016-0042-judgment.pdf

and seems OK wiv de one parent rule
if one parent is British then you're are british
simples

[Old_Geezer]

And if the circumstances were exactly the same save that his parents were both Nigerian would he have automatically been given British citizenship and could not be deported under the law ? If not then it is a case of special pleading for a bad judgement.

[EDDIE51]

^^ What point are you trying to make OG ?
'If his parents were Nigerian' what on Earth has that got to do with it?
As I keep saying the point is that as he had a British parent if they had been married he would have got automatic British citizenship,like it or not , that is the law.
Obviously if his parents were Nigerian he would not get British citizen ship no matter if they were married or not!