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19:39 Fri 21st Oct 2016
Mamyalynne
The point I was making earlier is that, if in her locality since the Referendum she has been treated differently
She didn't say she was treated differently ... her reasoning is a bit like some of the dafter ABers ... you voted out therefore you are a bigot ... racist ... lowlife ... uneducated blah, blah ... blah
The point I was making earlier is that, if in her locality since the Referendum she has been treated differently
She didn't say she was treated differently ... her reasoning is a bit like some of the dafter ABers ... you voted out therefore you are a bigot ... racist ... lowlife ... uneducated blah, blah ... blah
“Xenophobia and good, old-fashioned racism was responsible for many of the votes to leave the EU.”
You need to be a bit careful, Mikey. I voted to leave for many reasons (which I sure I mentioned once or twice in the run up to the referendum). One of those reasons (among very, very many) was that I believe that uncontrolled immigration from the EU is simply unsustainable and there was no way to reduce it whilst we were a member. I’m not a racist (at least not by my definition) nor am I xenophobic. But the immigration problem played a major (but not the principle) reason for my vote.
Many people feel this way. We don’t hate foreigners, we don’t want to see the repatriation of people who settled here in good faith taking advantage of the prevailing EU rules. But do we number among those whom you believe that “Xenophobia and good, old-fashioned racism” was responsible for our votes to leave?
This woman’s feelings are probably jaundiced by the way some politicians and the media sought to portray those who voted to leave as racist bigots (see above). This has been a theme throughout the referendum, both before and after. For most people who voted to leave nothing could be further from the truth.
You need to be a bit careful, Mikey. I voted to leave for many reasons (which I sure I mentioned once or twice in the run up to the referendum). One of those reasons (among very, very many) was that I believe that uncontrolled immigration from the EU is simply unsustainable and there was no way to reduce it whilst we were a member. I’m not a racist (at least not by my definition) nor am I xenophobic. But the immigration problem played a major (but not the principle) reason for my vote.
Many people feel this way. We don’t hate foreigners, we don’t want to see the repatriation of people who settled here in good faith taking advantage of the prevailing EU rules. But do we number among those whom you believe that “Xenophobia and good, old-fashioned racism” was responsible for our votes to leave?
This woman’s feelings are probably jaundiced by the way some politicians and the media sought to portray those who voted to leave as racist bigots (see above). This has been a theme throughout the referendum, both before and after. For most people who voted to leave nothing could be further from the truth.
I am British Indian, by virtue of that I am probably more obvious as a perceived non-Brit. than the Polish Lady. I have been in the UK for about 28 years now, I can say that I have ever come across real racism, you always get the odd idiot who thinks it's smart to use the P*** word, 'Water, duck and back come to mind'
Certainly where I live and work nothing has changed since Brexit, no-one has suggested I should not be here.
Certainly where I live and work nothing has changed since Brexit, no-one has suggested I should not be here.
My oldest friend is half Polish. I was at Grammar School with several half-Poles, a Latvian (he passed Latvian GCE easily) and a chap who was, I think, Malaysian. No-one made anything of it.
This lady definitely has a chip on her shoulder i.m.o.. She's here legally, she's part of society - what more does she want............a medal? If so, can I have one, too, for being British? That is how ridiculous this is.
This lady definitely has a chip on her shoulder i.m.o.. She's here legally, she's part of society - what more does she want............a medal? If so, can I have one, too, for being British? That is how ridiculous this is.
> the voters who carried the vote
That's an interesting expression. Of the 51.89% of 72.21% who voted for Brexit, were they a homogeneous unit? Or would you be prepared to admit that the UK does host some racists, and that those racists could in fact have been enough - which would take at least 1.4% of the voting population - to mean that the vote was carried for the majority of Brexit supporters who are not racists?
I think it's reasonable to accept that we do have racists in this country, Also that those racists who voted would be most likely to vote for Brexit. And would therefore feel empowered and legitimised by "their" victory, just as all the other Brexiters do.
As for the majority of Brexit voters who are not racists - if I was one, I would feel distinctly uncomfortable that the vote was close enough that my will had potentially been "carried" by those who were racist, and I would be doing everything possible at this stage to distance myself from racists - not having a go at Poles who feel uncomfortable post-Brexit.
That's an interesting expression. Of the 51.89% of 72.21% who voted for Brexit, were they a homogeneous unit? Or would you be prepared to admit that the UK does host some racists, and that those racists could in fact have been enough - which would take at least 1.4% of the voting population - to mean that the vote was carried for the majority of Brexit supporters who are not racists?
I think it's reasonable to accept that we do have racists in this country, Also that those racists who voted would be most likely to vote for Brexit. And would therefore feel empowered and legitimised by "their" victory, just as all the other Brexiters do.
As for the majority of Brexit voters who are not racists - if I was one, I would feel distinctly uncomfortable that the vote was close enough that my will had potentially been "carried" by those who were racist, and I would be doing everything possible at this stage to distance myself from racists - not having a go at Poles who feel uncomfortable post-Brexit.
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As for the majority of Brexit voters who are not racists - if I was one, I would feel distinctly uncomfortable that the vote was close enough that my will had potentially been "carried" by those who were racist, and I would be doing everything possible at this stage to distance myself from racists - not having a go at Poles who feel uncomfortable post-Brexit.
You think this woman who by her own admission has not been discriminated against in 23 years has the right to state that I voted to send Poles back to Poland and me not have a reaction to that?
Really?
As for the majority of Brexit voters who are not racists - if I was one, I would feel distinctly uncomfortable that the vote was close enough that my will had potentially been "carried" by those who were racist, and I would be doing everything possible at this stage to distance myself from racists - not having a go at Poles who feel uncomfortable post-Brexit.
You think this woman who by her own admission has not been discriminated against in 23 years has the right to state that I voted to send Poles back to Poland and me not have a reaction to that?
Really?
Divebuddy, I'm a remainer who was under no illusions that some European superstate = utopia. My preferred outcome would have been a tight Remain victory (perhaps 52:48 the other way!) sufficient to force another vote say in 2019, giving the EU 3 years to create a better offer for us and other similarly disenchanted countries. I'm happy to admit that the EU is broken and needs fixing, but would have preferred to fix it from the inside if possible rather than abandon it.
As for economic realities - the main one we have since Brexit is that the exchange rate has crashed and we haven't even triggered Article 50 yet. Every time someone in the Cabinet mentions "hard Brexit" it drops another few cents. This is non-trivial.
I'm prepared to live with Brexit and see it through now, but can quite understand how at least some Poles would feel unwanted post-Brexit, since perhaps they would not have been allowed in under "controlled immigration" and it's not being made perfectly clear that they will be allowed to stay in future, which again gives the racists some cheer.
As for economic realities - the main one we have since Brexit is that the exchange rate has crashed and we haven't even triggered Article 50 yet. Every time someone in the Cabinet mentions "hard Brexit" it drops another few cents. This is non-trivial.
I'm prepared to live with Brexit and see it through now, but can quite understand how at least some Poles would feel unwanted post-Brexit, since perhaps they would not have been allowed in under "controlled immigration" and it's not being made perfectly clear that they will be allowed to stay in future, which again gives the racists some cheer.
