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AOG, your getting your knickers in a twist about this is causing more of an affront than the issue you took in the first place IMO. If you truly care about the loss of JY you'll just quieten down and let this disagreement disappear among further tributes ...then again, that's not your style is it. (Rhetorical question).
Not wanting to steer this debate off course and indeed the passing of anybody is a sad event, but perspective is very relevant.
In the example of the passing of snooker player Alex 'Hurricane' Higgins, there were countless comments on here and in the media. He was described as a 'flawed genius' who was one of the greatest players and entertainers the game had ever seen which was a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw.
However, it was equally correct and reasonable to state that he could be a deeply unpleasant individual, a womaniser who drunk heavily and abused officials.
It was not disrespectful to cite the latter negative characteristics very soon after his death was announced. Time changes nothing, the facts will always remain the same. A person should be remembered with fondness but on many occasions be tempered with more sober memories.
We should not pick and choose what we want to remember about someone. Let's not deceive ourselves. Memories are important but we cannot satisfy ourselves solely with what we conveniently would like to think.
Nobody is perfect and Sir Jimmy would have acknowledged that.
Andy's posts will not and should not be removed for the reasons I've given.
Sir Jimmy was adored by many and that is right and proper but there are just as many people who have an alternative view, which is just as valid, who should not be shouted down just because it does not conform to a perceived sense of poor timing.
In the example of the passing of snooker player Alex 'Hurricane' Higgins, there were countless comments on here and in the media. He was described as a 'flawed genius' who was one of the greatest players and entertainers the game had ever seen which was a perfectly reasonable conclusion to draw.
However, it was equally correct and reasonable to state that he could be a deeply unpleasant individual, a womaniser who drunk heavily and abused officials.
It was not disrespectful to cite the latter negative characteristics very soon after his death was announced. Time changes nothing, the facts will always remain the same. A person should be remembered with fondness but on many occasions be tempered with more sober memories.
We should not pick and choose what we want to remember about someone. Let's not deceive ourselves. Memories are important but we cannot satisfy ourselves solely with what we conveniently would like to think.
Nobody is perfect and Sir Jimmy would have acknowledged that.
Andy's posts will not and should not be removed for the reasons I've given.
Sir Jimmy was adored by many and that is right and proper but there are just as many people who have an alternative view, which is just as valid, who should not be shouted down just because it does not conform to a perceived sense of poor timing.
I once spent a few hours in JY's company following an interview I did for BBC Radio 4. Like me, Jimmy was there to take part in a recorded interview about something or other.
I found him perfectly pleasant but it was obvious he was very opinionated in many of the things that were making the news headlines at the time. Having listened to him for years on the radio, speaking to him in person allowed me see why so many people disliked his interviewing techniques.
When we had finished, he took me over to the Langham Hotel for afternoon tea and we spent a while chatting. I must admit that some of the stuff I discussed with him formed the basis of topics in his show in subsequent months. I well and truly had my brain picked that day.
I found him perfectly pleasant but it was obvious he was very opinionated in many of the things that were making the news headlines at the time. Having listened to him for years on the radio, speaking to him in person allowed me see why so many people disliked his interviewing techniques.
When we had finished, he took me over to the Langham Hotel for afternoon tea and we spent a while chatting. I must admit that some of the stuff I discussed with him formed the basis of topics in his show in subsequent months. I well and truly had my brain picked that day.
theprof - speaking of interviewing techniques, as an aside from the main thrust of the argument, does anyone find John Humphrys' interviewing technique really irritating?
For me, he has mixed up the skill of being tenacious, and simply replaced it with an overwhelming desire to prevent his interviewee from finishing a sentence - which is not interviewing, it's just being overbearing and boorish.
He also has a sneering way of signing off which makes "--- thank you for talking to us ..." come over as "That was a complete pile of garbage, now go away quickly!
For me, he has mixed up the skill of being tenacious, and simply replaced it with an overwhelming desire to prevent his interviewee from finishing a sentence - which is not interviewing, it's just being overbearing and boorish.
He also has a sneering way of signing off which makes "--- thank you for talking to us ..." come over as "That was a complete pile of garbage, now go away quickly!
Mamya - I can only speak personally and say that I have no 'pot' to stir.
I made an observation about Sir Jimmy Young based on his behaviour which is a matter of public record. Others seem to think that is inappropriate - the debate is here for anyone to read.
But I deny that I have deliberately caused any controversy, and I think my responses back up that position.
I made an observation about Sir Jimmy Young based on his behaviour which is a matter of public record. Others seem to think that is inappropriate - the debate is here for anyone to read.
But I deny that I have deliberately caused any controversy, and I think my responses back up that position.
It started off as an obit. thread for people who so wished to say Goodbye and RIP to JY.
It should not in my opinion have been dragged down by somone who appears less than impressed with JY.
If you felt the need to do that you could have started your own thread rather than spoiling Bertrums.
It's not all about you.
Interesting to note that the original poster has not been on his thread so as to give his opinion.
Maybe like many of our reasonably new members, he ventured onto the news section with a perfectly valid news story on the occasion of the death of yet another high profile celebrity, perhaps only to be scared off from venturing back on the news section ever again.
Maybe like many of our reasonably new members, he ventured onto the news section with a perfectly valid news story on the occasion of the death of yet another high profile celebrity, perhaps only to be scared off from venturing back on the news section ever again.
AOG - do you mean this sort of thing -
AH
/// Hopefully this is the end of the matter. ///
Not a chance, this will be imprinted on minds of all those who choose to debate with you in the future, as the person who came on a thread announcing the death of yet another much loved entertainer, so as to sprout their negative thoughts on that person.
Your only chance to somehow get your words removed, is for you to use your usual method and that is to removed the thread yourself. //
Yup - that would probably scare me off well and truly!
AH
/// Hopefully this is the end of the matter. ///
Not a chance, this will be imprinted on minds of all those who choose to debate with you in the future, as the person who came on a thread announcing the death of yet another much loved entertainer, so as to sprout their negative thoughts on that person.
Your only chance to somehow get your words removed, is for you to use your usual method and that is to removed the thread yourself. //
Yup - that would probably scare me off well and truly!
Baldric - //It started off as an obit. thread for people who so wished to say Goodbye and RIP to JY.
It should not in my opinion have been dragged down by somone who appears less than impressed with JY. //
I did not 'drag down' anything - I pointed out some salient points about Sir Jimmy which are a matter of public record.
//If you felt the need to do that you could have started your own thread rather than spoiling Bertrums.//
I don't which is why I didn't - and I would not start a thread about Sir Jimmy Young, he is not that important to me.
//It's not all about you. //
Indeed not - which is why I have responded to posts written to me - that's how the site works.
It should not in my opinion have been dragged down by somone who appears less than impressed with JY. //
I did not 'drag down' anything - I pointed out some salient points about Sir Jimmy which are a matter of public record.
//If you felt the need to do that you could have started your own thread rather than spoiling Bertrums.//
I don't which is why I didn't - and I would not start a thread about Sir Jimmy Young, he is not that important to me.
//It's not all about you. //
Indeed not - which is why I have responded to posts written to me - that's how the site works.
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