And The Brexit Mess Grows Ever Deeper

[Zacs-Master]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/11/more-than-80-mps-join-lib-dem-plot-to-force-government-to-hold-a/

[Zacs-Master]

That's a different spin on the same question Jim. I can't answer it because the 'if' is still an 'if'.

[gulliver1]

Can see Brexit, Cancelled , END OF!

[EDDIE51]

Just to say yet again. Brexit was the choice of 52% of those that actually bothered to vote. It is NOT the choice of the majority of UK voters it is the choice of well under 50% .(37% I think) The 48% who voted remain are being ignored or 'shouted down'.

[EDDIE51]

^ If the referendum had actually got over 50% of voters to say 'Leave' I would have no option but to support it, but it fell short.

[woofgang]

I think many of us, on both sides of the divide understood that the decision of the referendum would need to be ratified by parliament before it could be implemented. I certainly did.
In fact, all we were ever promised was a referendum.....not a binding referendum, nor one with a timescale for implementation.

[dannyk13]

Eddie. It got over 50% of THOSE WHO VOTED

[EDDIE51]

^^ Exactly my point, Thanks. It is NOT the majority of all the electorate!
Those who fail to vote in a 2 way referendum are taken as being content with the 'status quo'

[woofgang]

by whom?

[Peter Pedant]

O god Brexit is a load of poo

at least trump has started a day later: yeah OK putting Hillary in prison is NOT a priority and we will keep a lot of Obamacare and that wall ..... I'm nart sure....

whereas we Brits get drenched in Brexit horse-shut day after day
and all the turkeys led by the Nige holler: we want Christmas now and if we all arent stuffed ( turkey geddit ?) by Jan 1st we will all ask for our money back ....

[dannyk13]

Eddie, So, according to you a majority vote in yhe commons doesn't count unless ALL MP's vote. P'lease.

[mushroom25]

in the 2015 general election, 66% of the electorate voted. which means that 34% did not vote.

of the votes cast, 36.9% voted conservative, which means that 63% of votes cast were not for the conservatives.

which means that probably less than a quarter of the electorate voted for the party that now forms the government.

using your logic, Eddie, shouldn't the general election be declared "void"?

[New Judge]

“The 48% who voted remain are being ignored or 'shouted down'.”

Eddie, Eddie, Eddie! With a question having only two answers the people voting in the minority will not get their way. It’s called losing. You win some, you lose some. Those voting to remain are necessarily being ignored in the same way that those who voted to leave would have been had the result been reversed.

“Those who fail to vote in a 2 way referendum are taken as being content with the 'status quo'”

Er…why? What evidence do you have that this is so. People fail to vote for all sorts of reasons. If they are anxious to see the status quo maintained they need to get out and say so or they run the risk of their voices not being heeded. The whole country was asked what they wanted and they were told that the result (i.e. how the majority of voters cast their votes) would be enacted. If they were foolish enough to believe that staying at home would see an assumption made that they were happy with the status quo then, sadly but predictably, they got their just deserts.

[Peter Pedant]

// I knew the referendum was "advisory". I hadn't appreciated that from a legal point of view it was Parliament who was being advised rather than Government.//

no Jim revise separation of powers - Executive / judiciary / legislative

Politicans who are in the executive and who are also in the legislature thought they thought they could mix executive powers with their legislative powers.
They cant

Referendum has not exec power and no legislative power

// Do you hold that view because you think that somehow the opinion of the majority is flawed? // 3T

no I hold that view ( that politicians are subject to the law as we all are ) because the law says politicians have to obey the law always and not just because they want to that particular time

end of ( as 3T might say )
end the whinger rama (as 3T might suggest)
yeah innit yeah ( as 3T seems to say everyday )

[agchristie]

Christ, I'd hate to play roulette with some on here.

'That's not fair, the ball didn't land where I wanted. I think the numbers should be swapped around until I win.'

[ToraToraTora]

"I Want to ignore the will of the people because the process of the result has been (subject to an appeal or two) proven to be unfounded in law thereby making the will of the people irrelevant. I've said this around half a dozen times now on here. " - It's not unfounded, it's not proven in law, they are talking about debating in the house not the decision itself, the people voted in a simple binary choice. If you are trying to use semantics to thwart the will of the majority you are deluded zacs.

[Zacs-Master]

I'm not deluded. You quote me but fail to read what I wrote. I said the PROCESS of the result was unfounded. I'm well aware it's not the decision itself, hence my 11:14 post.

[Davemano]

As Jackdaw posted earlier, the Government will still have a majority to win the debate even though there are those who will vote for themselves and not for the wishes of the people whom they represent.

[Zacs-Master]

Dave, well said. Another example of the mess resulting from this seemingly meaningless referendum.

[Davemano]

There is no mess - the Government will win and Brexit will go ahead. I

[Togo]

Mother Teresa just call the commons vote Christmas week. All the lefties go on strike then don't they, so wont turn up?