Trumpageddon Is Comming......

[ToraToraTora]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38324045
Let's save all the climate data! PMSL! do we really share the planet with these people?

[ToraToraTora]

stop bring the facts in judge it will only confuse their brainwashing

[jim360]

But even accepting that your logic is "undeniable", or whatever, it's still leading you to the wrong conclusions. In which case all that changes is that you need better priors to process with your logic.

For example, actually getting a basic science education wouldn't hurt. After that, actually not assuming that a basic science education is somehow all you need is probably a good idea as well.

Same advice goes to NJ, for that matter.

[ToraToraTora]

I have a science education, perhaps though you can explain how 4% of something is more important that 96% of something.

[New Judge]

I only have a basic science education, jim (A-Level Physics when A-Levels were A-Levels). I don't assume it's all I need - but I can do sums. However, I shouldn't have become involved in this thread because, as they say, "the science has been done", so that's it. And I'm out :-)

[jim360]

" 4% of something is more important that 96% of something."

Because the 96% was already there. Because there also exist carbon sinks in nature, that manage to counterbalance a lot of the natural carbon output.

And because small changes in an otherwise unstable system are potentially huge when accumulated over a long- or even medium-term period.

[jim360]

[citation needed]

[ToraToraTora]

like son of Krakatoa that has been spewing out CO2 24 hours a day since 1883, not to mention all the other volcanoes. Then there is the real green house gas, water vapour, that we ignore entirely! Still It's all mankinds fault or we get no funding, I get it!

[ToraToraTora]

oh of course we need to cover the oceans, they emit most of the carbon. but hey ho, mankind with his tiny bit is making all the difference.

[jim360]

More seriously, the problem with using polar bears anti-global warming evidence is that (a) data is anyway not totally perfect, so the total numbers are only estimates, (b) Climate change remains more of a longer-term threat than a short-term one, although the extent Arctic Sea ice is decreasing on average, so this pressure will only continue to grow, and (c) until recently, hunting of polar bears was a far greater threat, and even after it was banned or heavily restricted it took some time for the populations to recover.

The Climate Change pressure on polar bear populations is therefore only a subleading effect, but it is real, and likely to dominate in the near-ish future.

[ToraToraTora]

long carbon cycle? that's not a Bicycle PP.

[ToraToraTora]

then there is performing any kind of analysis on a 4.5 billion year old planet with 200 years max of climate data.......I could go on....!

[jim360]

Signal-to-background, TTT. Read about it.

And until then, everything you post shows that you don't understand the facts, or have any hope of doing so.

The human effect is real, and it's something that neither can nor should be ignored. What it holds for our or the planet's future I can't and won't say, but current human activity is certainly unsustainable.

[jim360]

A good living... hahahahaahahahahahaha

I'm on like 13k a year, and that runs out in two months.

Whereas, of course, multi-billion dollar oil companies have no financial interests at all to protect when they spread misinformation...

[ToraToraTora]

all I ask is something that demonstrates it is real. So far all I hear is supposition and illgic garnished with a dash of "you must be thick if you do not blindly acceptt the 'undeniable' facts"!

[jim360]

Something already exists to demonstrate that. Problem is that you'll then just move the goalposts. And again. And then a third time. And on, and on...

[ToraToraTora]

surely someone of your ability can get more than that jim? That's not a *** take even if it sounds like one, I do respect your knowledge of physics.

[jim360]

Standard rate for a PhD student. For a more seasoned academic no doubt the rates are higher. But the general point stands: I don't do this for the money, nor do most working scientists.