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Trump Vs. Streep
A couple of things here.
First - is Meryl Streep over-rated?
Second - does it concern you that the next President of the United States of America has a skin so thick that he feels that he needs to defend himself in this manner?
Are we now walking towards a time when the leader of the free world has the sensibilities of a 13 year old school child?
Why is he doing this?
Seriously...I know there are some on here revere Trump in the same way that they revere Katie Hopkins, Jeremy Clarkson and Tyson Fury - as being paragons as straight talking, but what on earth is he doing responding to this kind of criticism?
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First - is Meryl Streep over-rated?
Second - does it concern you that the next President of the United States of America has a skin so thick that he feels that he needs to defend himself in this manner?
Are we now walking towards a time when the leader of the free world has the sensibilities of a 13 year old school child?
Why is he doing this?
Seriously...I know there are some on here revere Trump in the same way that they revere Katie Hopkins, Jeremy Clarkson and Tyson Fury - as being paragons as straight talking, but what on earth is he doing responding to this kind of criticism?
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I think Bazile has got the essence of this. If a Hollywood icon wants to make a veiled reference to bad behaviour, they can. If you are President Elect, and you want to respond by denigrating her proven and awarded acting skills- you can't, for two reasons. One is that you are proving yourself an idiot by attacking her proven track record in her job, and two...
17:23 Mon 09th Jan 2017
andy-hughes at 10:16, I have no idea who you're talking about. Someone was admonished on here recently for failing to call Nicola Sturgeon by her correct name. Any chance of .... a name?
Frankly, all this to-ing and fro-ing about what Trump said, what he's done ... blah blah blah .... it quite pointless. He will be the next President of the USA and all the moaning in the world won't change that.
Frankly, all this to-ing and fro-ing about what Trump said, what he's done ... blah blah blah .... it quite pointless. He will be the next President of the USA and all the moaning in the world won't change that.
Naomi - certainly, the gentleman's name is mark Dice, he is an author and media analyst.
Naomi - that's an unusual attitude from yourself I must say.
Just because mr Trump is going to be president does not mean that people should not question his behaviour and his attitudes, and simply shrug their shoulders like it doesn't matter.
It does matter - it speaks to the thought processes and behaviour of the president, and if you don't think that is important, that's fine, you can dip out of this debate if you wish.
Naomi - that's an unusual attitude from yourself I must say.
Just because mr Trump is going to be president does not mean that people should not question his behaviour and his attitudes, and simply shrug their shoulders like it doesn't matter.
It does matter - it speaks to the thought processes and behaviour of the president, and if you don't think that is important, that's fine, you can dip out of this debate if you wish.
Naomi - //I said this constant regurgitating of what he’s said and what he’s done is futile – and it is //
I'll remind you of that approach next time you are banging on about Islamification - it's gong to happen, so let's not regurgitate what Islamists have said and done, because that must be futile as well.
I'll remind you of that approach next time you are banging on about Islamification - it's gong to happen, so let's not regurgitate what Islamists have said and done, because that must be futile as well.
Tamborine - accepting that Mr Trump will be president does not equate with the notion that we simply have to accept the way he speaks and acts - clearly we don't, and it would be a very bad day for freedom if we did.
I think people who know far more about acting that you or I would take issue with your assertion that Ms. Kidman is a better actress than Ms. Streep.
I think people who know far more about acting that you or I would take issue with your assertion that Ms. Kidman is a better actress than Ms. Streep.
Naomi - //^Bizarre. //
Your usual response when you are either bored with arguing, you find yourself. beaten, or you want to distract further dismantling of your argument - or a combination of the above.
It doesn't matter, I am still waiting for Khandro to return to the debate, so by all means stay on the side-lines if that suits you better.
Your usual response when you are either bored with arguing, you find yourself. beaten, or you want to distract further dismantling of your argument - or a combination of the above.
It doesn't matter, I am still waiting for Khandro to return to the debate, so by all means stay on the side-lines if that suits you better.
Talbot - //Has anyone got an opinion on Meryl's hero worship of a child rapist?
anyone ............ //
I do.
Although I am a believer in separating the art from the artist - that belief would extend to not avoiding watching the film because Mr Polanski directed it.
My belief does not extend to lauding and awarding Mr Poanski for his work because, as you confirm, he is a convicted child rapist, and that is the reason why he was not present to accept his award - he is unable to enter the U.S. because of that conviction.
The Academy chose to gloss over that aspect of the award receipt, and I think it is repugnant that they did so, and that he was feted in this way.
anyone ............ //
I do.
Although I am a believer in separating the art from the artist - that belief would extend to not avoiding watching the film because Mr Polanski directed it.
My belief does not extend to lauding and awarding Mr Poanski for his work because, as you confirm, he is a convicted child rapist, and that is the reason why he was not present to accept his award - he is unable to enter the U.S. because of that conviction.
The Academy chose to gloss over that aspect of the award receipt, and I think it is repugnant that they did so, and that he was feted in this way.
Talbot - //anyone else with an opinion on Meryl glossing over of Polanski's immorality whilst harping on about Trump's immorality? //
I think that is stretching for a connection that is not actually valid.
Because Ms. Streep joined in with the ovation when Roman Polanski was awarded an Oscar does not disqualify her from having an opinion on Mr Trump's behaviour, nor does it bar her from expressing it.
I think that is stretching for a connection that is not actually valid.
Because Ms. Streep joined in with the ovation when Roman Polanski was awarded an Oscar does not disqualify her from having an opinion on Mr Trump's behaviour, nor does it bar her from expressing it.
andy-hughes; So we can take it from your 10:16 post that you do not know the United States or the people Donald Trump will be presiding over and whom he will be representing.
As one who has worked there (as Artist in Residence and taught in major universities) and travelled in the 'backwoods' outside the Washington swamp, I think my opinion is slightly more informed than your arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country.
The 63 million folk (the deplorables) who voted for Trump and not the Clintons are more interested in US domestic policy than sending their sons (and now daughters) to kill and be killed in foreign parts that they have never heard of, and seeing their jobs removed and transported to the far East.
These are the real issues at stake, and Trump has at least said he wishes to take them on and no one else has, we shall have to wait and see what he can achieve.
As one who has worked there (as Artist in Residence and taught in major universities) and travelled in the 'backwoods' outside the Washington swamp, I think my opinion is slightly more informed than your arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country.
The 63 million folk (the deplorables) who voted for Trump and not the Clintons are more interested in US domestic policy than sending their sons (and now daughters) to kill and be killed in foreign parts that they have never heard of, and seeing their jobs removed and transported to the far East.
These are the real issues at stake, and Trump has at least said he wishes to take them on and no one else has, we shall have to wait and see what he can achieve.
andy-hughes
/// Because Ms. Streep joined in with the ovation when Roman Polanski was awarded an Oscar does not disqualify her from having an opinion on Mr Trump's behaviour, nor does it bar her from expressing it. ///
Nothing wrong in expressing an opinion, providing it is expressed in a fitting venue, but a 'lovies' awards venue is not one of them.
/// Because Ms. Streep joined in with the ovation when Roman Polanski was awarded an Oscar does not disqualify her from having an opinion on Mr Trump's behaviour, nor does it bar her from expressing it. ///
Nothing wrong in expressing an opinion, providing it is expressed in a fitting venue, but a 'lovies' awards venue is not one of them.
Khandro - //andy-hughes; So we can take it from your 10:16 post that you do not know the United States or the people Donald Trump will be presiding over and whom he will be representing. //
I'm not sure who 'we' are - I was addressing you directly in my post.
I can only repeat that my experience of the U.S. is not relevant to my opinion of Mr Trump's behaviour in public - which is universal to all.
// As one who has worked there (as Artist in Residence and taught in major universities) and travelled in the 'backwoods' outside the Washington swamp, I think my opinion is slightly more informed than your arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country. //
Firstly, since I declined to declare my experience of the U.S., you have no idea if it is similar, or more extensive than yours, so your assumption that your " .. opinion is slightly more informed than your // is baseless, and it is yourself who is displaying arrogance.
I have never suggested any 'arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country' - arrogant or otherwise. I have merely commented on your defence of Mr Trump's inability to behave like an adult in public.
// The 63 million folk (the deplorables) who voted for Trump and not the Clintons are more interested in US domestic policy than sending their sons (and now daughters) to kill and be killed in foreign parts that they have never heard of, and seeing their jobs removed and transported to the far East.
These are the real issues at stake, and Trump has at least said he wishes to take them on and no one else has, we shall have to wait and see what he can achieve. //
That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your defence of Mr Trump's behaviour, or my calling you out on it.
Would you like to stick to the point, and park the assumptions?
I'm not sure who 'we' are - I was addressing you directly in my post.
I can only repeat that my experience of the U.S. is not relevant to my opinion of Mr Trump's behaviour in public - which is universal to all.
// As one who has worked there (as Artist in Residence and taught in major universities) and travelled in the 'backwoods' outside the Washington swamp, I think my opinion is slightly more informed than your arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country. //
Firstly, since I declined to declare my experience of the U.S., you have no idea if it is similar, or more extensive than yours, so your assumption that your " .. opinion is slightly more informed than your // is baseless, and it is yourself who is displaying arrogance.
I have never suggested any 'arrogant assumptions of what is right for that country' - arrogant or otherwise. I have merely commented on your defence of Mr Trump's inability to behave like an adult in public.
// The 63 million folk (the deplorables) who voted for Trump and not the Clintons are more interested in US domestic policy than sending their sons (and now daughters) to kill and be killed in foreign parts that they have never heard of, and seeing their jobs removed and transported to the far East.
These are the real issues at stake, and Trump has at least said he wishes to take them on and no one else has, we shall have to wait and see what he can achieve. //
That has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with your defence of Mr Trump's behaviour, or my calling you out on it.
Would you like to stick to the point, and park the assumptions?
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