President Donald Trump Says He Believes Waterboarding Works

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-38753000

Trump wants to bring back torture, despite Congress voting overwhelmingly to ban it recently. He also wants to expand America's use of keeping people in prison abroad, without charge or trial.

America....land of the free !

[murraymints]

clover enough state returns...bit like here it is not the sum of votes in the nation..but the number of states that return a yes....

[youngmafbog]

Yes he did, so are you suggesting he will chop peoples heads of then?

[mikey4444]

YMB....see the interview on my link.

[ummmm]

YMB - No, but he was asked about waterboarding...

[mikey4444]

And he said that "he believes waterboarding works"

Couldn't be clearer, could it ?

[Old_Geezer]

It may well work if the victim has information about terrorist activity, or whatever. But that's not the reason it is barred. Information received is suspect, plus many without information get abused by authorities.

[ummmm]

He just used the barbaric practices of some countries as an excuse to justify waterboarding.

[mikey4444]

OG....the reason that torture is barred in America, is because Congress voted overwhelmingly against it. and that Congress included many Republicans.

It also doesn't work.

[mikey4444]

You have to as why America uses "Extraordinary rendition " ( in plain English, kidnapping) and keeps people in foreign prisons, rather than bring them back Stateside.

The answer is obvious of course.....because what they do would be illegal at home.

[Old_Geezer]

You say it doesn't work, but if you were in possession of information and thought revealing it would bring the torture to a quicker end, you'd most likely decide to tell. The question is whether torture was needed to get that information. For example, police manage to get information by using less violent means. And it's probably more reliable as it wasn't forced.

[mikey4444]

OG....there is widespread doubt about the veracity of info. obtained under torture, as Ummm has said earlier.

But the point is that Congress decided that it was illegal, and Trump seems to want to ride rough-shod over that decision......a decision that was widely supported by Republicans as well as Democrats.

[Old_Geezer]

Veracity is an issue but if it checks out then it checks out. The reason to not use it is that it is unnecessary abuse. Information can be got via other means.

[mikey4444]

OG....correct !

[Peter Pedant]

3T unnaturally silent on this subject - gagged perhaps ?

and so let me try - as a ghost writer wiv an estuarial accent yeah !

3T "writes" : yeah - lets rip their finger nails off ! that'll teach them - or throw them from high buildings like they do ! yeah - after they've talked of course ! oh I see the throwing off the building ( like they do ! ) is meant to make them talk - oh they'll fink of something....w/t/f !!!!!
O I see - strap microphones to them before frowing then dey can talk on the way down - splat !!! yeah !!

[-Talbot-]

"I will rely on Pompeo and Mattis and my group and if they don't want to do it that's fine. If they do want to do then I will work toward that end.




Couldn't be clearer.

[mikey4444]

Talbot...exactly !

He favours using torture....thanks for clearing up any misunderstanding ......not that I believe there was any !

[ichkeria]

The most astounding thing to me (as most of the other stuff we already could guess) is that he STILL wants to investigate voter fraud, despite the fact that we won, and despite the fact that there seems not to be ahead of evidence for it.
Having read Christopher Hitchens' analysis of voting machine "discrepancies" in Ohio in 2004, I am less inclined to believe in the accuracy of these machines. But his aides must be tearing their hair out ...

[ichkeria]

a "shred" of evidence (sigh)

[ichkeria]

There is no way that the folks on the ground will agree to go back to the old methods. Many were seemingly left traumatised by it themselves.
Mr Trump is torturing himself by talking large soundbites out of his own flesh ...

[anthro-nerd]

It's been a very worrying few days... I'm conflicted. I do not condone the use of torture... but to fight fire with fire seems to make sense at some level... I guess I'd just rather there be no fire at all. I must be living in a dreamworld.