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Sir Mo Farah Faces Being Banned From Returning To America.
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One then has to ask, as a British citizen, why have you along with your family decided to live in America, especially when you were honoured with a knighthood?
One then has to ask, as a British citizen, why have you along with your family decided to live in America, especially when you were honoured with a knighthood?
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This is the order made by Donald Trump
The order, which was signed by Mr Trump on Friday, blocks entry to people who were born or have citizenship of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen even if they have citizenship of another country, such as Britain, or have a green card entitling them to work and live in the US.
The order, which was signed by Mr Trump on Friday, blocks entry to people who were born or have citizenship of Iran, Iraq, Libya, Somalia, Sudan, Syria and Yemen even if they have citizenship of another country, such as Britain, or have a green card entitling them to work and live in the US.
anneasquith
/// Bet you don't moan AOG when he' winning golds for Britain ? ///
Those shiny Gold Medals are of no interest or benefit to me, his running prowess is of no real benefit, except to the individuals themselves.
Now if he had won a few base metal medals in the real service to his country, then in my eyes he would have been a 'real' hero'.
/// Bet you don't moan AOG when he' winning golds for Britain ? ///
Those shiny Gold Medals are of no interest or benefit to me, his running prowess is of no real benefit, except to the individuals themselves.
Now if he had won a few base metal medals in the real service to his country, then in my eyes he would have been a 'real' hero'.
One then has to ask, as a British citizen, why have you along with your family decided to live in America, especially when you were honoured with a knighthood?
Khandro
"How much does Mo Farah earn a year?
Olympic champion Mo Farah has seen his earnings double to more than £2.2million in the last year after his continued success post-London 2012. The double Olympic gold medallist has almost £1million in cash in the bank, figures for his company reveal."
Ahhh!
Seems a resonable answer to AOG's Q, Zacs
Khandro
"How much does Mo Farah earn a year?
Olympic champion Mo Farah has seen his earnings double to more than £2.2million in the last year after his continued success post-London 2012. The double Olympic gold medallist has almost £1million in cash in the bank, figures for his company reveal."
Ahhh!
Seems a resonable answer to AOG's Q, Zacs
“…so you can't just wish it did not exist and offer that as a policy.”
I’m not wishing it didn’t exist. It makes no difference to me as I do not qualify for dual citizenship and I would not contemplate it even if I was. Because nations allow it does necessarily make it right or desirable. I’m simply pointing out why this problem has arisen for those with dual citizenship. If they had chosen one nationality or the other they would at least know where they stood.
Sir Mo will probably be OK (since his matter seems to be of overwhelming importance):
“…though the order indicates that individuals can be approved for entry by federal officials on a case-by-case basis. One law enforcement official told the Associated Press that there was also an exemption for foreigners whose entry is in U.S. national interest.”
"Dual citizenship is irrelevant. The ban is on those who are born in one of the countries listed by the Trump administration."
I don’t know where you got that idea from, sp. You may be right, but the little I’ve read suggests otherwise:
The US State Department said: "Travellers who have nationality or dual nationality of one of these [seven] countries will not be permitted for 90 days to enter the United States or be issued an immigrant or non-immigrant visa. “Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or non-immigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.”
The actual text of Mr Trumps edict says this:
It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.
And goes on to say:
“I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).”
Only mention, then, of “foreign nationals” or "dual nationals". No mention of people simply born in the countries listed.
According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security a foreign national is defined simply as "an individual who is a citizen of any country other than the United States."
So, people holding dual nationality (US/A N Other) are citizens of a country other than the United States (and so are foreign nationals) and if their second country is one of the seven they are banned under the edict. People born in (say) Somalia but now holding exclusive UK citizenship are also foreign nationals but not citizens of one of the seven pariah nations and so are not banned. So it is the dual citizenship that creates their difficulty.
I’m not wishing it didn’t exist. It makes no difference to me as I do not qualify for dual citizenship and I would not contemplate it even if I was. Because nations allow it does necessarily make it right or desirable. I’m simply pointing out why this problem has arisen for those with dual citizenship. If they had chosen one nationality or the other they would at least know where they stood.
Sir Mo will probably be OK (since his matter seems to be of overwhelming importance):
“…though the order indicates that individuals can be approved for entry by federal officials on a case-by-case basis. One law enforcement official told the Associated Press that there was also an exemption for foreigners whose entry is in U.S. national interest.”
"Dual citizenship is irrelevant. The ban is on those who are born in one of the countries listed by the Trump administration."
I don’t know where you got that idea from, sp. You may be right, but the little I’ve read suggests otherwise:
The US State Department said: "Travellers who have nationality or dual nationality of one of these [seven] countries will not be permitted for 90 days to enter the United States or be issued an immigrant or non-immigrant visa. “Those nationals or dual nationals holding valid immigrant or non-immigrant visas will not be permitted to enter the United States during this period. Visa interviews will generally not be scheduled for nationals of these countries during this period.”
The actual text of Mr Trumps edict says this:
It is the policy of the United States to protect its citizens from foreign nationals who intend to commit terrorist attacks in the United States; and to prevent the admission of foreign nationals who intend to exploit United States immigration laws for malevolent purposes.
And goes on to say:
“I hereby proclaim that the immigrant and nonimmigrant entry into the United States of aliens from countries referred to in section 217(a)(12) of the INA, 8 U.S.C. 1187(a)(12), would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, and I hereby suspend entry into the United States, as immigrants and nonimmigrants, of such persons for 90 days from the date of this order (excluding those foreign nationals traveling on diplomatic visas, North Atlantic Treaty Organization visas, C-2 visas for travel to the United Nations, and G-1, G-2, G-3, and G-4 visas).”
Only mention, then, of “foreign nationals” or "dual nationals". No mention of people simply born in the countries listed.
According to the U.S. Department of Homeland Security a foreign national is defined simply as "an individual who is a citizen of any country other than the United States."
So, people holding dual nationality (US/A N Other) are citizens of a country other than the United States (and so are foreign nationals) and if their second country is one of the seven they are banned under the edict. People born in (say) Somalia but now holding exclusive UK citizenship are also foreign nationals but not citizens of one of the seven pariah nations and so are not banned. So it is the dual citizenship that creates their difficulty.
// He has lived in west London since the age of eight, when his family arrived from Somalia as refugees, but he decided to move much further west, partly to spend more time with his new coach, three-time New York Marathon winner Alberto Salazar. //
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"If they had chosen one nationality or the other they would at least know where they stood. "
You cannot legally renounce British citizenship though. Plus lots of people don't have a choice but to have dual citizenship. It is incredibly difficult and expensive to renounce in cases where it is possible to do so. And if you have family still left in the country you came from, for example, it's increasingly difficult to visit that country except on the passport of your country of origin if you are still eligible for said passport. It's not just places like Russia that enforce that rule; Canada recently put the same rule into place. It's just a matter of time before the UK does the same. These rules create traps that people unwittingly fall into, especially for those of us (i.e. academics and others) who have lives in more than one country.
You cannot ignore the fact that some of your fellow citizens move around for both professional and personal reasons, and it is in the interest of those citizens for governments to create workable structures for them to pursue their lives. These kinds of unstable and over-the-top clampdowns on people with the legal right to reside is based on superficial prejudices and causes massive disruption to ordinary peoples' lives.
You cannot legally renounce British citizenship though. Plus lots of people don't have a choice but to have dual citizenship. It is incredibly difficult and expensive to renounce in cases where it is possible to do so. And if you have family still left in the country you came from, for example, it's increasingly difficult to visit that country except on the passport of your country of origin if you are still eligible for said passport. It's not just places like Russia that enforce that rule; Canada recently put the same rule into place. It's just a matter of time before the UK does the same. These rules create traps that people unwittingly fall into, especially for those of us (i.e. academics and others) who have lives in more than one country.
You cannot ignore the fact that some of your fellow citizens move around for both professional and personal reasons, and it is in the interest of those citizens for governments to create workable structures for them to pursue their lives. These kinds of unstable and over-the-top clampdowns on people with the legal right to reside is based on superficial prejudices and causes massive disruption to ordinary peoples' lives.
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