Nick Clegg: Why Did Ebbw Vale In Wales Vote Brexit?

[mikey4444]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39425373

When I have said before, on AB, that xenophobia was the prime cause of the BREXIT vote, I have been howled down. But in this BBC report from South Wales, its clear that it was a very strong reason behind people voting to leave the EU, at least with older voters.

Even in a Town where there is little immigration, the fear of it persuaded people to vote OUT, even when it has benefited hugely from EU funding.

It make for interesting viewing !

[naomi24]

//When I have said before, on AB, that xenophobia was the prime cause of the BREXIT vote, I have been howled down. //

You've been howled down because you don't understand the difference between xenophobia and genuine concern for what is happening to this country.

[Old_Geezer]

For some reason my PC won't play the video, but I suspect anything fronted by Clegg will have been edited to try to support his desire to mock those who support our independent nation, and support his view that we should be ruled by Europe instead.

[ichkeria]

Clacton, which has (sorry had) UKIP's only MP has next to no immigration either.
Xenophobia WAS a factor in many places.

[mikey4444]

OG....I am not sure why you are having problems viewing the link, as I can play it OK. Its just an ordinary BBC link after all.

[Old_Geezer]

Probably flash being blocked; but if so, everywhere else a box comes up asking if I want to continue to block or play the flash on the page. Not this time.

[ichkeria]

Generally speaking, people will vote for whatever suits them personally, which is understandable. As a rule, the areas that voted to lewave are areas of deprivation rather than areas with high migration, London being a prime example of the opposite case. In other words, loss-aversion rules, but if you feel you have nothing to lose ...
The tragedy is that those people will STILL be or feel deprived post-Brexit.

[naomi24]

ichkeria, concern does not equate to xenophobia.

[TWR]

Mikey, this country is FULL, the NHS Is overworked, the schools are overcrowded, the local Heath centres are packed out, & they are still letting them in no matter what Race / Colour before we start, how is it the population of the UK can see the problem & the stupid Gov can not? Look at the size of the UK In comparison to Europe, any more we will be sinking, lets see the regular " No it is not" party say otherwise.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The good news is that Mikey can spell xenophobia.
The bad news is the incoherent reasoning about "funding" and "benefits".
He's so much more engaging when he keeps to things he knows about.

[ToraToraTora]

it's not xenophobia to have a genuine fear based on what is actually happening.

[vetuste_ennemi]

On the other hand we have the flip side of the "Escape from the seraglio" coin. That's a "Welcome to" and can I offer you the girl of you choice, innit? Twelve years or younger?

[cassa333]

Naomi is right there is a difference between xenophobia and concern about migration.

The link actually showed concern rather than xenophobia. Illegal immigrants, funding shiny new buildings that have little benefit, get back laws, those with the better qualifications and as other countries do, have a system for getting the best or appropriate people.

That is not xenophobia.

But people like Mikey will snatch the words they want to scream about and run with it none the less.

All we have to fear is fear itself. Who was it that said that?

[RATTER15]

I am not a xenophobe but I think we should be careful who and who we let it and many foreigners we let in.

We have a strong British culture throughout the UK and many of us would like to keep our culture.

I was walking through Hereford a few day ago I was within sight of three Polish supermarkets and there are many more Polish shops in Hereford and there are clearly many Poles living in and around Hereford and they are beginning to shape the area to suit them, if you see a group of youngsters stood anywhere around the town talking, I would bet they are Polish or at least foreign. It just getting a bit too much!

I am more than happy to see foreigners come to our towns and cities but we need workers and people that will contribute and fit in with our cultures and not turn our land into the one they left because they didn't like it.

[vetuste_ennemi]

The "social" (or is that sexual) services have dozens of young girls looking for kindly attention.

[mikey4444]

If you listen to the older people being interviewed, its quite clear what their objection to our continuing membership of the EU is about, and its this "immigration problem" ....the Romanians were mentioned, for instance. But Ebbw Vale has very little immigration.

What it has, in commons with lots of other places like it, is masses of middle aged people, with no qualifications, or skills, other than what was required in the huge steel works that used to exist there. Those places were left behind when the industrialisation policies of the 1980's were put into place

But it has had huge infrastructure improvements, all largely funded by money from Brussels, which is about to dry up for good.

Where will the funds come from in two years time ?

[RATTER15]

Ok, a big dyslexia moment there ^^ but I think you still get the gist of it.

It was fine when I read it through!!

[vetuste_ennemi]

Is there an app: twelve year old with problems seeks twenty year old "Asian" with taxi and lots of friends.

[mikey4444]

Ratter....I go to Hereford about 3-4 times a year, mainly to have a look around the wonderful Cathedral. But are a few shops selling Polish food really ruining the city ? Or a few people taking Polish ?

[vetuste_ennemi]

// If you listen to the older people being interviewed...//

Are you still posing as a market researcher, Mikey?,

[RATTER15]

No Mikey and I didnt say they were, but its more than just a few Polish shops and more than just a few foreigners, its more of a concern at the rate of which they are coming and the rate at which these shops are springing up.