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AOG - //Disgusting for Islay to compare the two, but with her track record, that is nothing new for her. //
You are deliberately misunderstanding Ilay's point in order to attack her, and that is low, even for you.
She did not compare the two individuals, she compared the reaction to the similarities of their respective situations.
It is unfair to misunderstand a point, and then use your own misunderstanding to make that the fault of the poster, when it is yours and yours alone.
//Incidentally Sgt Blackman's case was not a savage Murder committed on our own streets, but Manslaughter committed on a foreign battlefield. //
A man died and it was deemed an illegal act, but it was abroad, so that's OK then.
You are deliberately misunderstanding Ilay's point in order to attack her, and that is low, even for you.
She did not compare the two individuals, she compared the reaction to the similarities of their respective situations.
It is unfair to misunderstand a point, and then use your own misunderstanding to make that the fault of the poster, when it is yours and yours alone.
//Incidentally Sgt Blackman's case was not a savage Murder committed on our own streets, but Manslaughter committed on a foreign battlefield. //
A man died and it was deemed an illegal act, but it was abroad, so that's OK then.
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fender - If you read Islay's post, you will see clearly that she is not attempting to make any connection, or comparison between the two individuals.
The link she is pointing out is society's response to their circumstances - one was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone, and was a guilty of a crime, the other was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone and was not guilty of a crime.
The circusmatcnea, and the individuals are not the point - it is the differing attitudes of society that Islay was pointing out.
A number of AB'ers have jumped to the wrong conclusion - even though she and I have explained the point, and she has been unjustly vilified for something she has not done.
The link she is pointing out is society's response to their circumstances - one was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone, and was a guilty of a crime, the other was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone and was not guilty of a crime.
The circusmatcnea, and the individuals are not the point - it is the differing attitudes of society that Islay was pointing out.
A number of AB'ers have jumped to the wrong conclusion - even though she and I have explained the point, and she has been unjustly vilified for something she has not done.
allen - //Puzzled how the pack sees this killer as obviously 'sane' and thus trying to fool people he's not. //
It is a bit like Groundhog Day, but we'll go round it again for their benefit.
One side of the desk is a group of psychatrists with years of experience in mental illness who assess and treat patients for a living.
On the other side is a possibly deranged Islamist.
Which one do you think could successfully fool the other?
You know, and so do I, but the idea persists, that criminals can 'fool' psychiatrists and get a 'cushy' berth in Broadmoor.
It defies belief that people can believe this nonsense.
It is a bit like Groundhog Day, but we'll go round it again for their benefit.
One side of the desk is a group of psychatrists with years of experience in mental illness who assess and treat patients for a living.
On the other side is a possibly deranged Islamist.
Which one do you think could successfully fool the other?
You know, and so do I, but the idea persists, that criminals can 'fool' psychiatrists and get a 'cushy' berth in Broadmoor.
It defies belief that people can believe this nonsense.
"one was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone, and was a guilty of a crime, the other was deemed mentally ill because he killed someone and was not guilty of a crime."
The good sergeant was not 'not guilty of a crime', he was not guilty of murder but was found guilty of manslaughter and was sentenced on that basis.
That doesn't fit your version though.
The good sergeant was not 'not guilty of a crime', he was not guilty of murder but was found guilty of manslaughter and was sentenced on that basis.
That doesn't fit your version though.
douglas - //The good sergeant was not 'not guilty of a crime', he was not guilty of murder but was found guilty of manslaughter and was sentenced on that basis.
That doesn't fit your version though. //
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I write, Sergeant Blackman is incarcerated - you don't get put in prison unless you are convicted as a crime - he was found guilty, and that's why he is in prison.
That's not 'my version' - that's the facts.
That doesn't fit your version though. //
Correct me if I'm wrong, but as I write, Sergeant Blackman is incarcerated - you don't get put in prison unless you are convicted as a crime - he was found guilty, and that's why he is in prison.
That's not 'my version' - that's the facts.
// Mental health problems are badly understood by those who do not suffer from them. //
hey being psychotic is no fun
having had an episode of post op psychosis in 1999
[its a big deal having terrifying hallucinations]
[ and then taking on a schizophrenic tenant whom no one else would have. First three years were OK - the last six months were a bit hinky. I am not sure if I would do it again ]
and if you are mentally ill - then you should go to a specialised hospital. - I thought this one was pretty mad to start off with TBH.
Shades of the Yorkshire Ripper.
hey being psychotic is no fun
having had an episode of post op psychosis in 1999
[its a big deal having terrifying hallucinations]
[ and then taking on a schizophrenic tenant whom no one else would have. First three years were OK - the last six months were a bit hinky. I am not sure if I would do it again ]
and if you are mentally ill - then you should go to a specialised hospital. - I thought this one was pretty mad to start off with TBH.
Shades of the Yorkshire Ripper.
Mr Blackman was originally found guilty of murder was he not that was reduced to manslaughter on the evidence of mental health issues.
I am sorry if I have upset people with my comparison but you should not get emotional if you wish to debate, the two do not go hand in hand.
The Ed obviously does not think my post is disgusting otherwise it would have been removed by now like the response on page 2 was!
I am sorry if I have upset people with my comparison but you should not get emotional if you wish to debate, the two do not go hand in hand.
The Ed obviously does not think my post is disgusting otherwise it would have been removed by now like the response on page 2 was!
douglas - //I think answering on behalf of your friends and allies is placing a strain on you.
I know he's in prison for manslaughter, as per the post at 15:18, possibly due for release very soon.
"....because he killed someone and was not guilty of a crime."
Your words. //
You have taking something out of context and using it to misunderstand the point, and then argue about what you don't understand, down to a fine art!
Yes I said 'not guilty of a crime' - but if you read the whole post, you will see that I am saying that society believes that Sergeant Blackman is 'not guilty of a crime'.
I am not saying he was not guilty - clearly he was, he was convicted and imprisoned on that basis.
Please feel free to argue my points - but not at the expense of editing them to fit what you want to think I am saying.
I know he's in prison for manslaughter, as per the post at 15:18, possibly due for release very soon.
"....because he killed someone and was not guilty of a crime."
Your words. //
You have taking something out of context and using it to misunderstand the point, and then argue about what you don't understand, down to a fine art!
Yes I said 'not guilty of a crime' - but if you read the whole post, you will see that I am saying that society believes that Sergeant Blackman is 'not guilty of a crime'.
I am not saying he was not guilty - clearly he was, he was convicted and imprisoned on that basis.
Please feel free to argue my points - but not at the expense of editing them to fit what you want to think I am saying.
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seems every islamic atrocity is deemed because of mental illness..
i disagree, if thats the case all islamic murders are caused of err mental illness, in that case all muslims are ill, as they are doing what the koran orders, and yes it does order that it's adherents do so in the name of islam, all unbelievers kufars call them what you will, but the koran orders it, as a good muslim must do his duty, to further islam..as allah will's it, very short memories some aber's have, such mayhem islam causes, and they do not like offence, but instead call out...anti anti, well i say this to all muslims, re-evaluate your hadiths and suras for it commands, or get a grip on your, as you call them fellow muslims...........
i disagree, if thats the case all islamic murders are caused of err mental illness, in that case all muslims are ill, as they are doing what the koran orders, and yes it does order that it's adherents do so in the name of islam, all unbelievers kufars call them what you will, but the koran orders it, as a good muslim must do his duty, to further islam..as allah will's it, very short memories some aber's have, such mayhem islam causes, and they do not like offence, but instead call out...anti anti, well i say this to all muslims, re-evaluate your hadiths and suras for it commands, or get a grip on your, as you call them fellow muslims...........
andy-hughes, // I am surprised that you would fall into so obvious an emotional trap.//
If I’ve fallen for an emotional trap then so have the judges who you constantly tell us only consider the facts. Having served in battle and witnessed the body parts of his comrades strung up in trees, Sgt Blackman was originally sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of ten years for murdering a dying Taliban fighter. That charge was reduced to manslaughter with diminished responsibility, the penalty seven years.
The murder that Adebowale committed was pre-meditated. He took a meat cleaver on to the streets of London and brutally slaughtered an innocent man, practically decapitating him. He given a life sentence and ordered to serve at least 45 years.
Spot the difference not only in the crimes but in the sentences?
Islay, Nothing to do with cultural attitudes but everything to do with facts.
//Is the truth hard to face?//
Not at all. I’m all for the truth. See my reply to andy-hughes above.
If I’ve fallen for an emotional trap then so have the judges who you constantly tell us only consider the facts. Having served in battle and witnessed the body parts of his comrades strung up in trees, Sgt Blackman was originally sentenced to life imprisonment with a minimum term of ten years for murdering a dying Taliban fighter. That charge was reduced to manslaughter with diminished responsibility, the penalty seven years.
The murder that Adebowale committed was pre-meditated. He took a meat cleaver on to the streets of London and brutally slaughtered an innocent man, practically decapitating him. He given a life sentence and ordered to serve at least 45 years.
Spot the difference not only in the crimes but in the sentences?
Islay, Nothing to do with cultural attitudes but everything to do with facts.
//Is the truth hard to face?//
Not at all. I’m all for the truth. See my reply to andy-hughes above.
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