Forget Policies

[-Talbot-]

How can anyone vote for Corbyn?

A great puce from Tim Marshall

http://www.thewhatandthewhy.com/uk-election-goodbye-to-the-labour-party/

[choux]

Do you mean just Corbyn or the Labour Party?
When it comes to voting I don't see how anyone can forget policies.

[mikey4444]

Elections should always be about policies, but rarely are these days.

Look at the enormous fuss that was made yesterday, when Abbot cocked up her interview on LBC. Yes, she made a hash of it but the outrage from the "righties" drowned out any discussion of the actual issue.

We should debate issues, not personalities.

[naomi24]

/How can anyone vote for Corbyn? //

Pass.

[grumpy01]

The problem was Mikey that if she had a slip of the tongue and said £300 thousand oh sorry £300 million no one would have taken any notice.She made herself sound clueless by then stammering around for figures.As I said in an answer yesterday Dominic Raab was on the Daily Politics as well and he was about as clueless.There isn't much to choose between them competence wise it's just that where Corbyn and McDonnell are concerned nobody is listening.

[Peter Pedant]

O come on Mikey

1970 - Wilson ( bless !) tried to do a general election as presidential.
The idea being that you werent voting for the MP but for HIM !

also conducted it without naming his oppponent - selsdon man was one epithet used for heath

wilson lost .....

hasnt been tried again

[EDDIE51]

As Corbyn will not be standing in my constituency I could not vote for him if I wanted to or not.
In all elections I have always voted for the candidate who I consider will do the best job regardless of which party they stand for.

[choux]

Voters will always require an alternative to the ruling party.
I believe it is unfair to blame the waning Labour Party solely on Corbyn.

[mikey4444]

Grumpy....you have illustrated my point very well !

No discussion about the issue ( Police numbers) just more Abbot bashing....the issue is important, not the performance of any politician.

[choux]

Talbot appears to have gone walk about.
Perhaps the OP is not as interested as his post would suggest.

[Kromovaracun]

Elections are not just about policies, Mikey. They're also about how far you trust leaders.

Personally I'm really unsure about who I find more trustworthy between May or Corbyn. Labour's current leadership does not have the same stench of corruption as either their predecessors or this government (which is an important issue for me, doesn't seem to be for most people), but are clearly massively out of their depth and were caught off guard by the snap election.

What's worse? An incompetent government or a malignant one that lies all the time? Pretty awful set of options, but that's what we have at this election.

[mikey4444]

Kromo....you may be right, of course.

But personalities seem to be much more important these days then issues. As I have said earlier, yesterdays thread about Abbot was a classic example of what I mean. I suggested that the issue of Police numbers should have been discussed, but was told, gleefully, to start another thread.

People were much more keen to continue to put the boot into Abbot, than they were to discuss and debate the real issue.

[naomi24]

Mikey, the recent discussion about Diane Abbott wasn't about her personality - it was about the fact that she didn't know what she was talking about - and in her position, she should.

[andy-hughes]

Mikey - //We should debate issues, not personalities. //

I don't believe it is possible to separate the two in terms of the presentation of the UK government, not only to its electorate, but also to the wider world.

The notion of Jeremy Corbyn sitting down with the European bureaucrats and trying to negotiate on behalf of Britain gives me chills.

He has no credibility personally, or politically, and I am sure the Labour Party is already looking past their defeat, to the end of his tenure, and the essential re-building programme ahead.

[grumpy01]

Thanks for your compliment Mikey.However the fact remains that policies and personalities become intertwined at elections.The problem Labour have is that they don't have anyone who enough of the electorate would listen too.It is a great shame that Alan Johnson is not around this time to wheel out to espouse Labour's policies.When you have people like Emily Thornberry coming on T.V. people both metaphorically and physically switch off

[mikey4444]

Grump....yes, maybe you are right, but can I just point out that there are many Tory politicians that put me off as well.

Every time I see IDS, or Gove, I want to switch off !

[jno]

the recent discussion about Diane Abbott wasn't about her personality

hmmm, let's see...

"everyone know she's MAABOF"

"A part of the hypocrite elite"

"She is not of this galaxy"

"She is a complete fool"

"this nincompoop"

And opf coursse the ones about her sex life...

"I was going to put a space between Miss and Poke"

Policies? What are they?

[weecalf]

Is this country not too important to leave its future to polititions . politics today is about egos of people who have made fortunes doing nothing . We should have various offices aye but not overpaying others for spouting out what has been done by hard working people behind the scenes . Those who are mp might play a part but a lot smaller for a lot less money Have not decided fully yet how to go about this but leave it with me .

[-Talbot-]

choux
Talbot appears to have gone walk about.
Perhaps the OP is not as interested as his post would suggest.



Talbot alwaysreturns tohis threads and any unanswered questions (unlike some)

This isn't about Corbyn's personality or Diane Abbot it is about the contents of the Tim Marshall piece.
If you can vote for Corbyn ... please try and defend his actions within that article. ... I'm all ears.

[mikey4444]

jno...........yes, those comments about Abbot were reprehensible, and I am surprised that the Editor allowed some of them to remain.

It just show the low level of debate that this site descends to every now and then.

[naomi24]

jno, I have no idea what a MAABOF is, but several of your examples apply to her distinct lack of ability rather than to her personality – in my opinion. Nincompoops, complete fools, and those who are not of this galaxy, are notoriously considered dozy!