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Is Britain Safer Now, When We Have So Few Police Officers Compared To 2010 ?
For me, its obvious that we can't possibly be safer.
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It's not obvious at all is it Mickey. Take a step back and look at it rationaly.
1) Rather than look at Police 'numbers' look how those Police are spread and what they do.
2) Remember to take into account civilian 'Police'. Policing has changed dramatically and now includes Policing the net. Often specialised civilians are used for this.
3) Look at crime figures and crime perception, has this changed?
4) Try not to knee-jerk and react to one issue, the Police deal with millions. Ask yourself would even 50 000 extra Police have stopped this? I would argue no, the root of the problem is right-on liberalism that stifles the Police. Increasing numbers therefore would not make a difference on this type of crime.
There are many other factors, but if you consider these it should answer your 'its obvious we cant be safer' as being wrong.
1) Rather than look at Police 'numbers' look how those Police are spread and what they do.
2) Remember to take into account civilian 'Police'. Policing has changed dramatically and now includes Policing the net. Often specialised civilians are used for this.
3) Look at crime figures and crime perception, has this changed?
4) Try not to knee-jerk and react to one issue, the Police deal with millions. Ask yourself would even 50 000 extra Police have stopped this? I would argue no, the root of the problem is right-on liberalism that stifles the Police. Increasing numbers therefore would not make a difference on this type of crime.
There are many other factors, but if you consider these it should answer your 'its obvious we cant be safer' as being wrong.
Both the original question and Naomi's counter are classic examples of selection bias. What do you expect to find if you pick 7/7 and 22/5 as examples, when they are, by definition, the most extreme we've experienced in recent times?
In practice we're probably safer overall now than in 2005 (and certainly in the IRA days), although the problem is that such attacks as do slip through the security net are that much more violent, when the attacker has no regard for their own life and no particular target in mind other than "as many as possible". But it's hard to measure one way or another.
It stands to reason, though, that providing fewer resources to maintain safety is going to make that task more difficult.
In practice we're probably safer overall now than in 2005 (and certainly in the IRA days), although the problem is that such attacks as do slip through the security net are that much more violent, when the attacker has no regard for their own life and no particular target in mind other than "as many as possible". But it's hard to measure one way or another.
It stands to reason, though, that providing fewer resources to maintain safety is going to make that task more difficult.
Yes, there's more to it than resources. But, all other things being equal, the fewer resources you have the harder it is to do your job properly.
Other things have changed in the intervening years, making it more complicated than that, but it would still be churlish to pretend that cuts to policing numbers was a good thing.
Other things have changed in the intervening years, making it more complicated than that, but it would still be churlish to pretend that cuts to policing numbers was a good thing.
Mikey - would you prefer to have Diane Abbott as Home Secretary? The Labour Party keep saying all the wonderful things they are going to do, but what with? They nearly bankrupted us when they were last in power, Tony Blair sent the soldiers into another country to sort out a problem which was nothing to do with us, he also opened our borders to the influx of migrants which have overwhelmed our hospitals, and caused such a shortage of accommodation...I could go on.
What I find amazing about this debate is :::
The Conservative Party has always been known as the party of Law and Order. If the boot was on the other foot, and it had been a Labour administration that had presided over this huge loss in Police numbers, the right wingers on here would up in arms, waving their copies of the Daily Mail and complaining like crazy.
But as its been the Tory Watch, that this has happened under, suddenly we find that we really don't need many Police after all !
Its a funny world !
The Conservative Party has always been known as the party of Law and Order. If the boot was on the other foot, and it had been a Labour administration that had presided over this huge loss in Police numbers, the right wingers on here would up in arms, waving their copies of the Daily Mail and complaining like crazy.
But as its been the Tory Watch, that this has happened under, suddenly we find that we really don't need many Police after all !
Its a funny world !
At t there are more soldiers on the streets Mikey
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Mikey, I agree about cutbacks in any service is not always positive. I would like to see more PC's and less PCSO's for example.
However, and keeping politics out of it, the fact remains that a 'lack' of police numbers would not have prevented the attacks of the likes we are seeing throughout Europe.
Who do we hold accountable? The police? The Government? Intelligence Services? Muslim Leaders?
It is not literally a 'black and white problem'.
It is attitudes that also have to change....
However, and keeping politics out of it, the fact remains that a 'lack' of police numbers would not have prevented the attacks of the likes we are seeing throughout Europe.
Who do we hold accountable? The police? The Government? Intelligence Services? Muslim Leaders?
It is not literally a 'black and white problem'.
It is attitudes that also have to change....
I'm desperately worried about these pseudo-immigrants into Wales who come down here, stay in the unknown wasteland known as West Penwith and eat things like our Jelbert's icecream, pasties from Sarah of 'Peace and Plenty' (sic) and drink our local St Awful Tribute....I think a robotic bomb-sniffing K9 under the suspect's caravan is the least I can recommend when I dial 111
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