May Getting Severe Grief On Question Times, Especially From Nurses.

[scooping]

Beginning to look like another whoops from the Tory side...Picture might be different later.

[fiction-factory]

Maybe My should have known whether we did give £4m to North Korea but given that the ForegnAid budget is around £12,000,000,000 a year maybe she can be forgiven for not knowing where this miniscule proportion goes. Maybe she should have just suggested that the questioner needed to check his facts.
On Nurses, yes nurses, teachers and public sector workers in geneeral have had rises capped to 1% for quite some time but they can still get annual progression incremements on top, and do still get a generous pension scheme when most private sector staff have lost theirs. Whether the number of nurses was representative in the audience or whether there was some delibertae over-selection, I'm not sure. But why did May not simply tell Dimbleby the stories of nurses and teachers going to foodbank were nonsense and why was she so apologetic to the girl with mental health and other issues whose anecdote about a forgetful nurse was not an issue that could be discussed in such a forum.

[Khandro]

Today's Telegraph
and now people are quoting how she was laughed at earlier in the week, wasn't it obvious at the time?

"BBC audiences may have been hijacked by Jeremy Corbyn supporters posing as Tories, polling experts have warned.

It follows an admission from the head of polling company ComRes, which gathered the audience for a seven-way debate earlier this week, that Amber Rudd and the Ukip leader Paul Nuttall faced a tougher time than their left-wing opponents at the hands of the audience.

Senior polling experts have admitted privately that they are aware of groups of Labour activists, some led by grassroots Corbyn support group Momentum, encouraging his supporters to sign up for political debates posing as Conservatives in order to make it look like Labour has won the debate."

[sunny-dave]

Desperate spinning from the Torygraph, methinks.

Every time Mrs May has met an audience not composed entirely of Tory Party workers she has been like a rabbit staring into the headlights of a juggernaut. So far out of her comfort zone that it's not even in the same hemisphere.

Her answers have provoked much anger and indeed mirth - Momentum can't have 'fixed' every one of these encounters, it's just not feasible.

[webbo3]

watching it now, another biased audience, massive cheers for Jeremy Corbyn before he opened his mouth.


Dave.

[mikey4444]

Have you noticed that last week, the slogan of choice was "Strong and Stable"....

now its the "Magic Money Tree" ?

[webbo3]

Could be the magic jobs tree.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40127661

1 million jobs, just where will they come from without costing us 1 penny.

Dave.

[Jackdaw33]

I am reminded of the February 1974 election when Heath campaigned on the slogan, 'Who governs Britain?' The answer came back, 'Not you, mate'.

[naomi24]

Jim, //before there can be any serious discussion about this you have to accept that, at the very least, there *might* be a reasoned case to support Labour,//

I seriously have no idea what that ‘reasoned case’ might be. There’s no 'reason' in it whatsoever. Corbyn has just added another £30billion to his list, raising the predicted black hole in his accounting to £339 billion. It seems Labour supporters will vote Labour regardless of the damage their policies will doubtless create. Quite simply he cannot possibly do what he promises to do. Utter madness. Jam today - but you'll be lucky if you get bread and dripping tomorrow!

[anneasquith]

I wondered how long it would take on this thread to blame the audience ( being biased to corbyn) as an excuse for TM dreadful performance .

[Jackdaw33]

I used to like bread and dripping, much nicer than jam. Don't forget the salt, though.

[naomi24]

anneasquith, your agenda, as always, shows. ;o)

[sunny-dave]

Whereas you are impartial and even-handed to a fault, naomi ... :-[]

[mikey4444]

!

[naomi24]

sunny-dave, I'm not impartial - in this instance plain common sense dictates partiality - but I think I'm pretty even-handed. I don't punch people in the back just for the sake of it.

[jim360]

I notice though, Naomi, that -- rather like in the Clinton/Trump election, when I piled into Trump as hard as I possibly could but struggled to find much positive to say about Clinton -- you seem somewhat unable to sell the Tories positively. It seems that the best reason to vote for them is that they can't possibly be as bad as Labour. Well, even if that's true, it's a very low standard to set, and as Clinton supporters found out it's not a very convincing case either. It doesn't work, as I found out already, so I'm somewhat surprised that you are trying it yourself.

So what is the positive case for voting for the Conservative Party on their own merits? For myself, I can't support May's vision of Brexit, I can't support her decision to expand grammar schools and religious schools so aggressively; I can't support her apparent lack of interest in Climate Policy; I can't support her determination to reach an arbitrary and damaging target for net migration. So it's in my interests to try and combat that as best I can. That means voting for Labour (or the Lib Dems if they had a hope of even winning more than 10 seats). For other people, there is a positive case to vote for the Tories, plain as day, because no position I hold above is the only position one can reasonably hold.

It should go the other way too. At the very least, you should accept that Tory policies can be -- and have been -- equally damaging, and that if one wants to hold the governing party to account for that then... well, then I guess there is no alternative but a Labour government.

And yes -- yes that does suck. Why is each election essentially a binary choice between two equally unappealing options? (something something first past the post sucks)

[anneasquith]

:-)

[mikey4444]

:-) x 2 !

[Trawlerman]

Corbynists, Momentum members and labour activists will do anything to promote their leader. Of course they will infiltrate audiences it is impossible to screen them out. Conservative posters in my area have been spray painted over with the "anarchy" symbol others have been sprayed red and this is in a fairly rural constituency.
When will politicians realise that the public do not want to hear party rhetoric, we just want plain answers to plain questions. Then when has a politician from any party answered a direct question.

[kvalidir]

You do have to be sensible though not every single Labour party supporter in the country is either an idiot, mentally ill or lacking to grasp somehow what is going on. Of course there is reasoned case to support Labour, you just can't see it because perhaps, although I do believe you try to be even handed, you are incapable of not viewing success, not as an improved society but as in that society having more of the things on your tick own personal tick list. that's not a crime but it doesn't make Labour supporters all iditos. We take our social contract of paying taxes to improve the whole in our stride, very seriously and believe it to be the correct thing to do in a civilised community. Tories I have noticed, frequently work very hard but want to keep all their hard worked for little tokens to themselves while society burns around them. It is as simple as a different view point, but neither side are stupid, and for myself it would make more sense to vote Tory as personally I would be better off financially, but I believe a better society for everyone, ultimately makes a better society for me as well, so I'll be doing that when hell freezes over, and many other people of all ages see we cannot continue to go down the route we have been going and agree.