Is The Tide Now Turning Favourably For Donald Trump?

[Khandro]

Only the seriously deranged still believe that there was any tampering by Russia with the election results, - all these months and not a scrap of evidence. The Supreme Court has now overturned the ban on his preventing his free entry of Muslims from certain countries and he has shown his authority by not having a White House dinner to celebrate the end of Ramadan, - and why should he?

[sp1814]

youngmafbog

Re: your post, where you talk about me. This is what I was referring to a few weeks ago. Why not talk about the subject in hand, rather than lobbing bombs?

All that normally results in, is the person you're talking about doing the same - and then it gets into a childish slanging match.

This happens all the time on AB. Why not join me in stopping it, and talking about the subject, rather than having a pop?

What you wrote at 21:11 is nothing about Trump or what he has or has not achieved. It's about me. A better tack would be to prove me wrong by listing what you think he has got right and detailing his positive contributions.

Sorry to lecture, but I think these silly personal digs are damaging AB.

[EDDIE51]

Read this carefully to the end !
http://www.newsweek.com/2016/08/12/donald-trumps-business-failures-election-2016-486091.html
Look at this as well
https://www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/

[-Talbot-]

I'm going by this thread alone sp ... 50% of the contributions are yours.

[Khandro]

Also he Imposed A Five Year Ban On Lobbying The Government By Former White House Officials And A Lifetime Ban On Lobbying For Foreign Governments by Former White House Officials, stating that 'our government is utterly and completely corrupt. We have members of Congress and White House staffers doing favours for businesses and picking up huge checks from those same companies as soon as they get out of office. When you see Barack Obama giving $400,000 speeches to the same Wall Street fat cats he railed against incessantly as President, your first thought should be, “I wonder what he did for them that merited the $400,000 payback?” Trump’s reforms ARE NOT going to fix all these problems, but they are a step in the right direction.
Whaddya say SP?

[naomi24]

I don’t know if the tide is turning but at least the incessant witch hunt that we’ve been witnessing appears to have abated. Nevertheless, SP and Eddie continue to wheel out that which has been well and truly done to death. SP declares that, “he [Trump] is perpetually desperate for approval’, but that is not borne out by the fact that a lesser man, in the face of the plethora of worldwide criticism that he has endured since before he took office, would have capitulated long ago. Do give it up, chaps. It’s making you look awfully bitter and twisted. Trump is president of the US. Get – as ‘they’ say – used to it.

[Hopkirk]

Khandro's link about the economy doing well was from July 16

[jim360]

"Only the seriously deranged still believe that there was any tampering by Russia with the election results..."

Does that not include Donald Trump, then, who tweeted recently that "Obama did nothing after being informed ... about Russian meddling [in the election]"?

The accusation that's trickier to prove is one of collaboration between Trump's team and Russian "meddlers", and I suspect that it will stay that way because honestly I don't believe it anyway. There are plenty of links between Russian officials and Trump's campaign team members but I doubt any of them are really that shady.

But no -- even Trump appears to accept that there was Russian interference in the election, and has only been pointedly making the case that he had nothing to do with it. On that, I believe him.

[jim360]

Also, stop with this witch-hunt stuff. He's the President of the US and, as such, deserves all the scrutiny he gets, and all the criticism for his many failings and faux-pas. Just as Obama did before him, and just as Clinton would have.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I think it's perfectly fine to post critical statements about Trump, in the same way that it's perfectly fine to post critical statements about Sadiq Khan, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair.

Khandro - the lobbying ban will have no impact on former POTUS' ability to make money giving speeches.

I suspect that the $400,000 for Obama is a reflection that he didn't follow through with clamping down on the excesses of Wall Street. And he should - seeing as the financial crisis he inherited was engineered by the greed and insane decisions taken by Wall Street (toxic loans for example).

This article shows just how wrong Obama was in taking the shilling:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/obama-wall-street-speech-400k_us_5900bf16e4b0af6d718ab7b9

But...I'm still not convinced that Trump is good for America. He lies too much for a start. Just way too much.

[naomi24]

Jim, //stop with this witch-hunt stuff. He's the President of the US and, as such, deserves all the scrutiny he gets, and all the criticism for his many failings and faux-pas./

No can do because much of it doesn’t result from his failings or his faux pas or from his actions as President, but from the slightest opportunity to stick the knife in – and that isn’t justifiable scrutiny. It’s hate-filled bile, it’s deliberate, and it’s shameful.

^Same to SP.

[sp1814]

naomi24

So...to summarise, we now have a situation where Khandro can raise a question about Trump, but we need to temper any alternate views.

Are we allowed to only comment on his performance as the President, or can we not discuss his personal failings too - like with any other politician?

Will the same apply to Sadiq Khan, Theresa May, Jeremy Corbyn and Tony Blair etc?

[naomi24]

SP, you’re ‘allowed’ to comment on whatever you feel the need to comment on. The light in which your comments portray you is your problem.

[sp1814]

naomi24

Well, surely that's a perspective thing. If someone posts a thread supporting Trump, the only way it will progress is for responders to post comments either supporting or attacking the position.

It doesn't really matter what people think of the responders themselves.

A better way to attack my argument is to do what Khandro has done and post rebuttals.

What you're doing doesn't move the discussion forward.

[naomi24]

SP, Whilst people are determined that whatever Trump does, says, or has said or done throughout his entire life, is fair game, the discussion can’t move forward. Rationality has already left the building – but you carry on if you want to.

[sp1814]

naomi24

I'm only going on his actions in the nomination, campaigning and and as POTUS, but I have to admit - my opinion of him was coloured by what he did with the Central Park Five.

[Togo]

Haha, Trump has been under the cosh of the (not so) libz from day 1. As he makes steady progress the panic amongst them is palpable. They are finding it uncomfortable out of the rapidly diminishing swamp but have found another "voice of reason" to reinforce their prejudices, in the supreme voice of liberalism....Kim Jong-un.

http://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/north-korea-compares-donald-trump-to-hitler-in-attack-on-racist-america-first-policies/ar-BBDk7OS?li=BBoPRmx

[scooping]

One thing I have learned is that US politics, seen through the prism of our media, look very different from the other side of the pond. Clinton v Trump a good example. He was derided here, just as Ford, Carter, Reagan and Bush jnr were, but they were taken seriously there just as the Trump campaign was. The facts are the same but the feel is different.

[Khandro]

One enormous advantage of Donald Trump being president is that it has meant Hillary isn't - presumably to the chagrin of sp and jim- There’s a lot to be said for avoiding the misrule of a corrupt, incompetent, malevolent monster like Hillary. Maybe that’s why despite all the complaints about Trump from the Left, polling shows Hillary Clinton would lose again if she went head-to-head with Donald Trump.

[youngmafbog]

SP, in your blind rage I think you my have mis read my post as there is plenty about The Donald in there, it is not solely about you.

[sp1814]

Khandro

Not just 'the Left' surely?