White Elderly Posh Judge, Now Accused Of Not Understanding Humans.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4663994/Grenfell-inquiry-judge-replaced-says-Labour-MP.html

What does this woman and others want, the inquiry judge to be selected from a resident of those flats?

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444
You made a big mistake posting that link mikey.

Now waits for you to call this MP and Lammy also racist.

[mikey4444]

AOG....I don't believe that the MP and Lammy are racist, but I have already said that I don't agree with what she says.

[mikey4444]

Corbyn has just said that he is NOT asking for the Judge to stand down.

[Old_Geezer]

Merely that he is unsuitable ?

[jim360]

It's been pointed out before that Lammy lost a friend in the fire, so I think he can be forgiven for caring a lot about this case and that the enquiry is seen to be fair and open. Still, like everyone else here I think he's got it wrong -- as has Coad, as has everyone who allows the "posh white elderly" description of the judge to pre-judge his ability to be impartial.

The point I was making is that NJ's otherwise excellent post is spoiled by the fact that the situation *has* been reversed, and recently, and then many who here -- rightly -- criticised Lammy for his views here in fact came out in support of Trump when he was trying the same line of attack on a Mexican judge. Thanks to mikey for immediately picking up the reference, and laying the double standards from the other side to bear.

Lammy's response is typical, I think, of anger being allowed to dominate one's judgement. The same thing happened with the child abuse enquiry, which ran through four judges so far, any one of which would I am sure have been able to do an excellent job but the first two of which were criticised for being part of the "establishment", or some other such concerns that were in my view misplaced. It's still having trouble now, as it happens.

But that's by the by. I suspect that this is as much about class divides as it is about racial ones.

[mikey4444]

OG....I have not heard Corbyn make that remark.

[murraymints]

what utter nonsense would it matter if the judge is green pink or purple spotted... a judge is a judge and is ethically obliged to be fair, balanced and unbiased...

[Old_Geezer]

I'd have thought that implied if there was no direct condemnation of the others' view. Was trying to find where he said he wasn't asking for the judge to stand down, but not spotted the article yet. Did you have a link ?

[mikey4444]

No OG...not yet. It was just reported on the World at One

[albaqwerty]

The mud-slinging against the appointed Judge has started, when does the actual enquiry get underway?

[New Judge]

"I don't believe that the MP and Lammy are racist..."

Just concentrating on Lammy then, Mikey, how would you feel if a white MP, with predominantly white constituents (there are still a few of them around) voiced similar opinions if the appointed judge had been black?

[anotheoldgit]

jim360

/// But that's by the by. I suspect that this is as much about class divides as it is about racial
ones. ///

Then why did he deem it necessary to criticise him for his colour?

[ferlew]

Surely the very fact he has been around for almost 90 years, and as a judge has probably come across all varieties of folks and their problems, still has 'all his martbles' or he would not have been asked to do the job makes him more suitable than a lot of other folks, regardless of his skin colour and class?

[anotheoldgit]

New Judge

I look forward to mikey's answer on that one.

[jim360]

I don't know, AOG. If I were feeling charitable, it could just be meant as an attempt to emphasise the divide between the judge and the people who lived in Grenfell. But I still don't like seeing Lammy or anyone else drawing attention to the judge's skin colour.

[naomi24]

Jim, //...came out in support of Trump when he was trying the same line of attack on a Mexican judge.//

But it wasn’t the same line. The analogy doesn’t work at all.

[jim360]

Well, I wondered if you'd come along to defend your stance. It very clearly was the same line of attack: judge's heritage and racial background disqualifies him from ruling on the case. It was wrong then, and it is wrong now.

[naomi24]

Jim, I know you like to stretch it if you need to but this time it doesn’t work. Trump’s objection to a Mexican judge emanated from his concern that the judge may have been biased in favour of Mexicans. It was absolutely specific. Mexican – Mexicans…. see?

[-Talbot-]

I believe mikey missed the 'Lammy' thread (although he was posting)
So can I ask you this mikey... was David Lammy's comment racist or not?



mikey4444
Rubbish TTT ! A Judge is a Judge is a Judge. Trump is plainly trying to use his favourite weapon, the race card.

[jim360]

I'm not stretching anything, but whatever. In neither case did the judge's race have anything to do with the matters at hand -- unless, of course, like Lammy did, you stretched things to make it so.

The litigants in the Trump University case were not Mexican (at least, not exclusively, although one or two might have been), so there is no relevance whatsoever. Only in Trump's head did it ever matter.