Labour, Least Of All It's Leader, Has No Idea.

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4722162/Corbyn-admits-no-cost-wiping-student-debts.html

/// Corbyn admits he had no idea how much it would cost when he told students he would 'deal with' their existing debts and denies the pledge was ever meant to be a promise ///

/// He told the BBC's Andrew Marr: 'I pointed out we had written the manifesto in a short space of time because there was a surprise election ///

Oh so organised aren't they, do you want them ruling this country?

[mikey4444]

Davemano....same challenge to you....find where it said, in the Manifesto, that existing debt would be wiped out.

[dannyk13]

Mikey, I never said that it was in the manifesto.Corbyn is denying that it was never said that they would abolish tuition fees when it is very clear that that is exactly what Mc Donnell said.'

[mikey4444]

Danny.....you quoted McDonnell, at 14:33, with saying this

"And yes it means scrapping tuition fees once and for all so we don’t burden our kids with debt for the future.”

That is exactly what is in the manifesto !

That isn't the same as saying that all existing debt will be written off..... is it ?

[Togo]

I always thought that "debt" was exactly that. It is existing, it has existance, it is not a concept, unlike future debt.... which was not mentioned. Debt=monies owed, ie existing.

[Togo]

A. Future Debt.
B. Debt in the future.

In which of the two examples is the word "future" being used as a adjective?

[dannyk13]

Mikey, you are going off at a tangent.I never mentioned existing debts.I am saying that promises were made to abolish student debt and then those promises were denied.

[anotheoldgit]

mikey4444

/// Much more to the point, what are the Tories going to do about all the student debts ? ///

Much like Labour "Sweet Fanny Adams".

[Davemano]

mickey - I wasn't talking about the Manifesto but about what the students were told. I have said before that on local news programmes students stated their intention to vote Labour because of the promise on fees.

[Kromovaracun]

If Corbyn had won the previous election and then turned around and said this, it would almost certainly have been treated as a betrayal by students and by the press. He never denied it before the election despite being repeatedly criticised over it. The manifesto might not have directly said "we will write off student debt", but he had made VERY strong implications in that direction.

For what it's worth, I imagine he is doing this now in order to make concessions to the party centre and therefore to avoid deselecting people (though he could also have "not realised", as he claims, I find this a bit unlikely). This is clearly a reversal, even if not on paper.

[scooping]

Many still don't seem to understand that Corbyn is not a touchy-feely Mr Nice Guy just because he has partly mastered the art of talking softly and sounding reasonable. The hard-left are in charge of the Party now. Deselections will follow. Corbyn, McDonnell, Abbott, aren't spring flowers. They are a very real danger and beneath the surface they are, at best, Trots, at worst, Stalinists.

[scooping]

The Left in Europe, fairly in my view, have complained that the Americans have interferred in European politics since the war. Certainly in France and Italy. Now I hope our colonial cousins will drive Corbyn into an early grave, one way or the other. We need covert US intervention now more than ever.

[jno]

ahem... is everyone conveniently forgetting the Tory manifesto, prepared with the same haste with proposals that had to be hastily advised or abandoned?

[Kromovaracun]

Scooping:

Corbyn is certainly hard left, but he has really been dragging his feet on deselections. Of course, the fact that he is being pressured to do it at all is worrying, but he certainly hasn't been eager about it. He keeps offering centrists frontbench positions, and I strongly suspect his softening on debt repayments is part of it (though I can't prove it, I'm just trying to think like a politician).

[Khandro]

jno; //is everyone conveniently forgetting the Tory manifesto, prepared with the same haste with proposals that had to be hastily advised or abandoned?//

Those proposals (not pledges) were aimed it trying to reduce the national debt not that of students, which if they had had the brains to work out would have cost the country a further 100 billion pounds.
Corbyn is a liar and a fraud and will soon find you can't fool all the people all of the time. If the election was run again tomorrow he would be nowhere - where he belongs and has been all his miserable life.

[scooping]

Kromo: One hopes that we don't think like politicians. That is presumably why we discuss things and not mouth the conventional platitudes and soundbites. It's easy to offer centrists positions within the Labour Party - knowing they won't accept. Centrists have learned from the Hilary Benn case. He sold his soul to the hard left by accepting a shadow defence job with Corbyn, then resigned a few weeks later when he suddenly discovered that Corbyn was against British possession of nuclear weapons. You would think that he may have spotted that before. It's a game. Look at Corbyn's record. He keeps telling people he has been consistent. Yes, that's true.

[mikey4444]

Scooping....16:46.....bow-locks, of the lowest order.

[Kromovaracun]

Scooping:

If that's the case, why do you think he has been so slow to carry out deselections?

[Khandro]

Scoop; //Look at Corbyn's record. He keeps telling people he has been consistent. Yes, that's true.//

Yes, he has been consistently against things, has he ever been 'for' anything? As a Labour back-bencher he opposed everything they tried to do, He opposes Trident, HS2, Tuition fees, The Queen of England, Israel, .... the list goes on. He has only ever supported people and causes which are also 'against' things; the IRA, Hamas, Hezbolla, etc. you don't have to be a psychiatrist to see this is all compensation for his own deep feelings of inadequacy.

[ludwig]

// Corbyn is a liar and a fraud and will soon find you can't fool all the people all of the time //

He already knows that. The thing he's going to find out is that he can't fool some of the people all of the time.

[Khandro]

As I said, Corbyn is a liar and a fraud;
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/25/lord-sugar-calls-jeremy-corbyn-resign-student-debt-lie/