Brexit Delayed Until 2021

[Gromit]

The British public have voted, so why the delay ?
Is it:
1. May's heart isn't in it and will be gone by the next election. Leaving someone else to tidy up the mess
2. An admission that our Trade Negotiators are useless and 3 years time is beyond them, and they need 2 extra years to catch up.
3. She is too busy trying to save her own neck than concentrate on what is best best for the country.
4. May is the wrong person at the wrong time to be PM.
5. We are all f******ed

[naomi24]

Gromit, //we are being kept in the dark about what our negociating position really is. //

Of course we are. You don't win at cards by showing your opponent your hand.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....that figure is being widely reported, but I have yet to hear anybody in authority say it.

Also, we should remember that the extra 2 years that she mentioned has yet to be agreed with the EU, so really, we are not that much further forward than we were when she stepped on to that plane bound for Florence.

[Gromit]

naomi24

So you can't blame everyone else for the lack of progress if you do not know what our demands are and whether they are reasonable.

And the suspicion is that the lack of progress is exactly what the remainers in Government want.

[Gromit]

// Theresa May is set to propose a transitional deal with the EU of up to two years in a speech on Friday, a cabinet source has told BBC News. //

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-41342580

The £20bn figure was quite clearly leaked by Downing Street. Possibly to test the water amongst Tory MPs. If we did not mention the figure after all in Florence, the feedback might not have been to her liking. But who knows what they are saying behind the clised doors of the talks.

[mikey4444]

Gromit....there has always been a suspicion that these negotiations were "planned" to fail.

I'm not sure if I believe it, although the outcome may be the same, if DD continues to come home, empty-handed, with his tail between his legs !

[Kromovaracun]

I don't know, Brussels have been pretty clear and consistent about what their goals are. The UK can't have single market access without paying for it, they weren't willing to start negotiations before A50 was triggered, and they wanted negotiations to go procedurally rather than all at once. Their goal - again, quite openly - is the cohesion of the single market, which means they can't give us a deal which incentivises others to consider leaving it.

Try as I might, I'm really not clear at all what "cards" the UK holds. All I ever hear is variants on "we are an important market." Which is true, but it's hard to say whether that's enough for what we want when the govt is so evasive about what its goals are.

Once again, I'd hate to be cynical, but it seems overwhelmingly likely that the govt is being unclear about its objectives so that it can declare victory regardless of what the outcome is. But I'm sure that can't be it...

[naomi24]

Gromit, //So you can't blame everyone else for the lack of progress //

I haven't blamed anyone for lack of progress. I haven't mentioned lack of progress - but I think you're right in saying that lack of progress is what the Remainers, whether in or out of government, want.

[anotheoldgit]

If that was her opening gambit, then just imagine what she might accept to close the deal? That is if she lasts that long.
Democracy supporters should now be organising a mass protest in London.

[anotheoldgit]

We didn't vote for 'negotiations' we voted for 'OUT'.

I would have thought that we had learned our lesson with Chamberlain's "Peace in our time".

[Zacs-Master]

Negotiations were always going to happen. If you truly believed we were just going to walk away, they you failed to educate yourself.

[THECORBYLOON]

Would you be happy with no negotiations and an agreement imposed by the EU, as long as we left?

[mikey4444]

TTT....far from getting excited, I feel strangely calm after Mays Florentine speech, as I see the certainty of Brexit slipping ever farther into the future !

[ToraToraTora]

we leave in March 2019, mikey, what has changed about that? After that date we govern ourselves, our courts are the highest in the land. All the rest is garnish.

[jim360]

I am pretty sure that the point of May's speech is that March 2019 is no longer the true "Brexit Day", and that it's expected that EU law will continue to apply in full for a further two years...

[mikey4444]

Well spotted Jim !

TTT...Keep up, keep up !

[ToraToraTora]

tell me where it says that, all supposition as far as I can tell.

[mikey4444]

Perhaps you missed this TTT, but Mrs May went all the way to Florence, with the Wax Works alongside her, to plead with the EU to be given more time for negotiations.....it was all over the news yesterday !

[Gromit]

Tora

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/09/22/theresa-may-warn-eu-eyes-world-us-major-brexit-speech-florence/

[mikey4444]

Gromit....May still has to persuade the EU to agree, although I am sure they probably will.