More People Seeing Sense.

[Khandro]

Now even Robert Peston says voting remain was a mistake, are you going to see the light too?
He says;

" I now fear that those that did [vote leave] were on the right side of an important argument and the right side of history.”

In an interview with Iain Dale, Peston said:

“When I discovered it wasn’t just me but my entire circle were out of touch with millions of people I genuinely felt ashamed… this was the only opportunity millions of people were ever going to have to say to the people who run this place ‘you’re not listening to us’, it was a massive wake up call to everybody… I take my hat off to them, they have thrown all the cards up in the air… it was the right thing to do.”

[whiskeryron]

Once upon a time Great Britain led the world & the world followed. Because I am old I can remember when we were on our own & in front. Loads of Brits these days can only know a life being linked to Europe, which is why there is so much controversy over Go or Remain. Germany made 2 attempts to force their will upon us & failed. At last with the help of traitorous France an offer was made to us to join them in a peaceful common market, to join Europe in trading goods, we accepted their terms then lo & behold one day without a vote from us things changed & we had to accept being governed by EU rules & laws. At last they had us where they had always wanted us. AND THAT IS WHY I VOTED BREXIT.

[Khandro]

Well said Ron

[dannyk13]

BA for Ron.

[vetuste_ennemi]

By his own words Ron has proved himself guilty of several phobias and at least two isms.

[dunnitall]

Well said Ron and my reason for voting OUT was because of the millions this country has and still is pumping into a federal Europe, whilst we need that money here for the NHS and everything in this country that is going down the drain. Simples....it's our money we should not be giving it to Europe to use on the poorer countries and one time schemes that are keeping us poor!

[baza]

I must also be guilty of phobias and isms because I agree with Ron.

[ichkeria]

I read this article as a stand-alone blog article. Regardless of the rights and wrongs of the in or our debate, the fact is that the spin the op is putting on it is totally misleading

[Gromit]

// the spin the op is putting on it is totally misleading //

Yep.
Ron, ‘Great Britain’ is a geographical term, and has nowt to do with our past glory, empire or superiority.

[vetuste_ennemi]

//Ron, ‘Great Britain’ is a geographical term, and has nowt to do with our past glory, empire or superiority//

You see what you've let yourself in for, Ron?

This is just the first of the nasties. Plenty more where he came from.

[cassa333]

Not on here Jim. People I actually know lol

I think by virtue of being on here we are all able and more often than not willing to say our bit ;-)

[jim360]

Fair enough :P Still, as far as I can tell, most people haven't really changed their minds since last year, and aren't likely to any time soon either.

[youngmafbog]

Jim, I suspect you are right.

However it is actually impossible to know the answer one way or another.

[New Judge]

Yes I also think you're right, Jim.

Nothing significant has changed since June '16 to make people alter their minds. The Remainers suggesting that Leavers now realise how difficult leaving will be and so we shouldn't do it seem not to understand that most Leavers always knew there would be problems but that was not a good enough reason to decline to leave. Leavers who believe the recent announcements by the EU about future "ever closer union" may have made Remainers change their mind are also mistaken. Most Remainers know (or should know) that the EU will not remain as it is. It has undergone constant evolution towards a federal state for the last 40 years and there is no reason to believe that will end any time soon.

[Khandro]

NJ; //Nothing significant has changed since June '16 to make people alter their minds.//
I can't agree with that, the most noticeable thing which people of either side of the fence have witnessed, is just how mean-spirited and self-serving the EU commission really is. I think a lot of remain voters may well be asking themselves if they want to be part of this organization with its increasing aim towards complete federalism, its inability to control its borders and its desire for a European army etc.

[New Judge]

"...the most noticeable thing which people of either side of the fence have witnessed, is just how mean-spirited and self-serving the EU commission really is."

Yes I'd rather overlooked that, Khandro. Personally I expected nothing less. There was no way that the Euromaniacs were going to make it simple for us to leave and no way that we would be allowed to escape with any sort of deal which may encourage others to do the same. On the other side of the coin those wishing to remain seem to fall into two camps: there are those for whom the EU can do absolutely no wrong and the irrevocable march to a Federal State they seem to support. Then there are those who believe "better the Devil you know" and are prepared to put up with whatever they may do because they either know no better or are more afraid of the changes that leaving might bring than they are of the changes which will inevitably follow if we remained.

[jim360]

It depends on your perspective. I've seen the EU sticking to its guns, which is reasonable in the circumstances -- especially as that sort of attitude is what Brexiters want from the UK government.

[Khandro]

Jim; Negociation isn't about "sticking to guns", it's about finding a mutually satisfactory solution. I think the British side has been trying to that since day one of the talks but are up against a demonstration of sheer bloody-mindedness

[jim360]

Really? The amount of people, on AB and even in actual politics, who spend roughly speaking an hour a day arguing passionately that we should just walk away now, suggests that "compromise" isn't a high priority on our side either (for some people).

There's a good deal of secrecy about the negotiations, still, so it's not clear that the EU is reacting rationally -- ditto the UK government -- to an intransigent position, or being just bloody-minded. I suspect it's a mixture of both, but then the EU has its own interests to look after and those are presumably well-served by emphasising the importance of the "U" in their name.

And we started all this -- there was no sense in which the UK was "forced" to leave. It was a choice, at several points, that may or may not turn out to be a sensible one, but was certainly very optional.

[Zacs-Master]

I see the self styled Judge is still peddling his arrogant nonsense. Strange for one proclaiming to be a ‘learned’ man. Twould seem his time on earth has not taught him much.

[New Judge]

What's so nonsensical about my latest comments, Zacs?

I've tried to look at the contention that either Leavers or Remainers may have changed their minds. I see no reason why any wholesale volte face should have occurred on either side for the reasons I've stated. Even if you dismiss my reasoning as nonsense, it's certainly not based on arrogance.