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Mrs May has failed in her attempt to get a deal on the NI-Eire border problem, mainly because of the DUPs intransigence.
It was obvious to everyone, that the DUP were not going to agree about this, so where does Mrs May go now ? If she just ignores the DUP, her Government will fail.
Mrs May has failed in her attempt to get a deal on the NI-Eire border problem, mainly because of the DUPs intransigence.
It was obvious to everyone, that the DUP were not going to agree about this, so where does Mrs May go now ? If she just ignores the DUP, her Government will fail.
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Momentum are doing exactly what Blair’s Progress group did 20 years ago. They are realigning the party by influencing selection of new candidates. Blair/Progress wanted to purge the Labour Party of socialists. Now after losing 3 General Elections, it is clear that the public do not want another Conservative Party Lite, which Blairism offered. So momentum are trying to eradicate the election failing Blairites.
Whether that makes them more or less electable is a matter of opinion, but it will definitely be better that the mad box of frogs that the party was in the first 2 years of Corbyn’s leadership.
Whether that makes them more or less electable is a matter of opinion, but it will definitely be better that the mad box of frogs that the party was in the first 2 years of Corbyn’s leadership.
Gromit you only have to listen to someone like Angela Rayner to realise what problems Labour are stirring for themselves: she is thought of as a "left winger" and is his shadow education secretary but she plainly despises him, reading between the lines, and his brand of politicking based on labelling and confrontation.
What will she do in the brave new post-mad box of frogs world? Stay with the Corbyn toadies? It's a pretty poor defence to say things will be better than they have been :-)
What will she do in the brave new post-mad box of frogs world? Stay with the Corbyn toadies? It's a pretty poor defence to say things will be better than they have been :-)
Hardly DUP intransigence. One doesn't cross red lines, as beginning a split of the NI from the rest of the UK would be. The issue was being insane enough to think forsaking one part of the UK was an acceptable agreement. All should be against that.
Pandering to those who want a united Ireland in order to progress to trade talks that theoretically all should want, is bound to open old wounds and a possible return to conflict. Perhaps May should have gifted the Falkland Islands to Argentina while she was at it.
Since such a trick was tried, and hit the inevitable barrier it is clear no one at the table is serious about progress. None are taking it seriously. Best thing to do is take all previous unwarranted offers off the table and simply go while there may be some pride left, somewhere, perhaps.
Pandering to those who want a united Ireland in order to progress to trade talks that theoretically all should want, is bound to open old wounds and a possible return to conflict. Perhaps May should have gifted the Falkland Islands to Argentina while she was at it.
Since such a trick was tried, and hit the inevitable barrier it is clear no one at the table is serious about progress. None are taking it seriously. Best thing to do is take all previous unwarranted offers off the table and simply go while there may be some pride left, somewhere, perhaps.
Nonsense with respect OG
No one is talking about a united Ireland. The status of NI within the UK is determined only be referendum. This is nothing to do with trying to force a united Ireland and not even the DUP thinks that. This is about wanting NI to be the same as the rest of the UK within the UK. But NI is not the same as the rest of the UK, never has been and never will be. Doesn't mean it can't be part of the UK still, but it is also part of the island of Ireland, where no one wants to go back to the bad old days of a hard border. It is the extreme Brexiteers who are objecting to this.
No one is talking about a united Ireland. The status of NI within the UK is determined only be referendum. This is nothing to do with trying to force a united Ireland and not even the DUP thinks that. This is about wanting NI to be the same as the rest of the UK within the UK. But NI is not the same as the rest of the UK, never has been and never will be. Doesn't mean it can't be part of the UK still, but it is also part of the island of Ireland, where no one wants to go back to the bad old days of a hard border. It is the extreme Brexiteers who are objecting to this.
They are up in arms because they don't want NI to be treated differently to the rest of the UK, regardless of the realities. This mentality is what governes DUP thinking on the EU really, and always has. They only really oppose EU membership because the ROI is the EU and they want to be different. That is what it largely boils down to. If the republic left the EU tomorrow they would probably become remainers :-)
I can only repeat what I said before: the political status of NI with UK can only change by a referendum, and no other way. Foster is actually from a border area, so she knows the issues regarding the border, and the way terrorists used the very thing she always supported as a handy way of escaping capture when necessary. Some of the unionists in the area support what she is doing, but some think she is just grandstanding. Her position is by no means cut and dried.
I can only repeat what I said before: the political status of NI with UK can only change by a referendum, and no other way. Foster is actually from a border area, so she knows the issues regarding the border, and the way terrorists used the very thing she always supported as a handy way of escaping capture when necessary. Some of the unionists in the area support what she is doing, but some think she is just grandstanding. Her position is by no means cut and dried.
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I am very impressed by Rayner, she is a local MP. She can go and tell momentum where to stick their pledge because she has a 11,000+ majority. She is also in the shadow cabinet and doing a good job, so her seat is safe regardless of Momentum. And she is not a Blairite, she is of the left, so not really a Momemtum target. Good to hear her stick up for those that are though. Typical.
I am very impressed by Rayner, she is a local MP. She can go and tell momentum where to stick their pledge because she has a 11,000+ majority. She is also in the shadow cabinet and doing a good job, so her seat is safe regardless of Momentum. And she is not a Blairite, she is of the left, so not really a Momemtum target. Good to hear her stick up for those that are though. Typical.
And if NI is treated differently to the rest of the UK, then that is effectively pushing them further away; and since they'd be in the European market with their southern neighbours and not left as the rest of the UK, well anyone can draw the obvious conclusion. No wonder Leo Varadkar is disappointed his ploy failed, and no surprise he claims he would not reverse out of an agreement he knew wouldn't be acceptable in the first place.
One can manipulate wording until the cows come home, but the UK border is between north and south Ireland, and one doesn't arrange differences so the effective border is in the Irish Sea. We're supposed to be after a soft border, like today, not an excuse to move it.
One can manipulate wording until the cows come home, but the UK border is between north and south Ireland, and one doesn't arrange differences so the effective border is in the Irish Sea. We're supposed to be after a soft border, like today, not an excuse to move it.
What ‘ploy’ for goodness sake. Leo Varadkar doesn’t want a united Ireland any more than Arlene Foster does.
Of note that the EU, which in theory might actually want some sort of hard border, has actually supported the Irish against its own interests, rather inconveniently for those who regard it as some sort of latter day Soviet Union
Of note that the EU, which in theory might actually want some sort of hard border, has actually supported the Irish against its own interests, rather inconveniently for those who regard it as some sort of latter day Soviet Union
Of course Northern Ireland is different from the rest of the UK, it has a land border with another country. To pretend NI is like England, Wales and Scotland which has a sea border with the EU, is bonkers.
The Republic of Ireland and the UK are not in the Schengen area, so the existing frictionless border is a compromise special arrangment between our two countries. The DUP have been happy with that for twenty years, it is a bit late to decide that keeping the same deal post brexit makes them inferior Britons.
The Republic of Ireland and the UK are not in the Schengen area, so the existing frictionless border is a compromise special arrangment between our two countries. The DUP have been happy with that for twenty years, it is a bit late to decide that keeping the same deal post brexit makes them inferior Britons.
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